Kevyn Adams GM thread

[Chainshot]

I remember when they drafted Risto and Zadorov in the same draft and one the scouts basically had to talk Pegula into the pick.

Of note....if you REALLY want Adams gone, you root hard for Cozens and Ottawa.

The further Ottawa goes in the playoffs and the better Cozens plays, the worse Adams looks and the louder the drum to jettison Adams gets.

I think you are putting too much credence in the idea that Pegula actually experiences shame for what he's done to the team or what his GM's have recently done.

 

[Jim Bob]

I think you are putting too much credence in the idea that Pegula actually experiences shame for what he's done to the team or what his GM's have recently done.

Two minutes...in de box...by yourself... and you feel shame, you know...

 

[TehDoak]

I think you are putting too much credence in the idea that Pegula actually experiences shame for what he's done to the team or what his GM's have recently done.

There is a sweet spot after the NFL Draft (end of April) and before training camp (July 15) where the focus will return exclusively to the Sabres. That happens to coincide with the end of the 1st round of the playoffs.

Maybe Terry and Co turning on the TV to see Cozens eliminating the leafs in the playoffs for Ottawa could be the last straw.

 

[JLewyB]

Tried to figure out what Kevyns contract extension was in 2022 but i dont think it ever got announced in terms of years. I would think it’s up this year or next. If it’s done this year, then i think there’s a real chance he’s gone. If not, i think hes here next year.

 

[jc17]

Not a "keep Adams" post just not sure where to put it





Whoever the next guy is in hope it's not simply because they've been around a while

 

[Tatanka]

Not a "keep Adams" post just not sure where to put it





Whoever the next guy is in hope it's not simply because they've been around a while

Tallon is right. These analytics are not predictive. They are descriptive and I think given more weight than they should.

 

[Beerz]

Tallon is right. These analytics are not predictive. They are descriptive and I think given more weight than they should.

Good for tracking a whole teams dynamics in certain areas.... pretty trash to look at these charts and determine an individuals worth.

 

[jc17]

Tallon is right. These analytics are not predictive. They are descriptive and I think given more weight than they should.

Just because some people give them too much weight, or misunderstand them doesn't they should be thrown out entirely

Good for tracking a whole teams dynamics in certain areas.... pretty trash to look at these charts and determine an individuals worth.

There is an enormous gap between knowing what expected goals means and determining players' values based on twitter charts. Its not one or the other

 

[Jim Bob]

Just because some people give them too much weight, or misunderstand them doesn't they should be thrown out entirely


There is an enormous gap between knowing what expected goals means and determining players' values based on twitter charts. Its not one or the other

Chad D's rant on this at the end of today's xB pod was spot on.

We are long past either/or when it comes to using advanced stats vs the eye test. Every NHL team uses both analytics and scouts to determine the moves they want to make.

 

[Beerz]

Just because some people give them too much weight, or misunderstand them doesn't they should be thrown out entirely


There is an enormous gap between knowing what expected goals means and determining players' values based on twitter charts. Its not one or the other

I mean it is pretty clear he knows what expected goals is... he is mocking the process.

 

[jc17]

I mean it is pretty clear he knows what expected goals is... he is mocking the process.

I think he understands at a very basic level and probably chooses not to dig deeper because his mind is made up.

These guys exist and I don't want an executive like that

 

[jc17]

Chad D's rant on this at the end of today's xB pod was spot on.

We are long past either/or when it comes to using advanced stats vs the eye test. Every NHL team uses both analytics and scouts to determine the moves they want to make.

But clearly there are still those that are pretty opposed to the use of analytics.

I wouldn't advocate to necessarily make a nerd the GM, like in carolina, but I certainly want someone who can see the potential for some value, and not dismiss it.

 

[TehDoak]

Not a "keep Adams" post just not sure where to put it





Whoever the next guy is in hope it's not simply because they've been around a while

Tallon is too old at this point (74) to be a full time GM so its a moot point....but the idea you'd reject someone who build the core of a multi championship team in Chicago and last years cup team in Florida because they aren't analytic focused is silly.

Analytics are just another tool. Adams built out what many considered an exemplary analytics department and it hasn't done anything.

After years of GMs who haven't built anything at the NHL level (or at all), give me a GM who knows how to build a team first....I don't care what tools he does or doesn't use.

 

[toddkaz]

Good for tracking a whole teams dynamics in certain areas.... pretty trash to look at these charts and determine an individuals worth.

I think analytics are good for when it comes time to pair teammates together. With defense you can see who pairs best together and what situations.

just my two cents. I don't think I would use them like "Moneyball"

 

[toddkaz]

Tallon is too old at this point (74) to be a full time GM so its a moot point....but the idea you'd reject someone who build the core of a multi championship team in Chicago and last years cup team in Florida because they aren't analytic focused is silly.

Analytics are just another tool. Adams built out what many considered an exemplary analytics department and it hasn't done anything.

After years of GMs who haven't built anything at the NHL level (or at all), give me a GM who knows how to build a team first....I don't care what tools he does or doesn't use.

Having an analytic department is one thing. Ignoring the statistics and continuing to put the same shitty players on the ice like Buffalo does is another.

I hate to keep harping on Bryson(not really)Whats the point of advanced statistics if you keep putting the guy out on the ice.