Kevyn Adams GM thread

[joshjull]

Yes there were flaws, but Murray understood that he needed to get better players than Tyler Ennis, Cody Hodgson and Tyler Myers in the organization, and he was prepared to do that using the assets to his disposal as well as needing to draft top talent to the organization.

Say what you will about the results or the flaws of the players, that sort of mindset is what is needed for an organization that is back in mediocrity. There was an understanding of getting role players to support the main guys, with a certain character trait of having it in them to stick up for one another. Murray continued to try and improve his team throughout his tenure.

Give me another GM with that mindset.

Murray sucked. Stop with this revisionist nonsense.

Adams sucks as hard or harder. These aren’t mutually exclusive ideas.

 

[buffalowing88]

I miss tim murray.

At least Murray kept things interesting and was willing to part with a core that he didn't see working.

 

[May Day 10]

If there is one thing Murray brought to the table, that the Sabres have rejected since, and seem to purposely reject, is the value of grit. They had Foligno and Deslauriers, and even Kane. Bogosian was mean at times. One of Botterill's first acts was getting rid of what little sandpaper they had left (including trading Foligno for Scandella or some nonsense).

Murray bled off assets and corrupted the health of the organization. If anyone misses Murray, just look at the McNabb trade.

 

[Fjordy]

I didn't even follow Sabres in Murray's time, so I can't miss him. But I think you can definitely find a better GM than Murray, Botterill and Adams, it's not that hard for a reasonable person, but...

 

[sabremike]

Murray sucked. Stop with this revisionist nonsense.

Adams sucks as hard or harder. These aren’t mutually exclusive ideas.

Remember GMTM acting like someone had killed his dog when he had to "settle" for drafting a guy who would end up a cup winning no doubt about it first ballot Hall Of Famer with another organization and poisoning the team's relationship with the guy from the start?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

It's fun and amusing to shit all over Kevyn and he's absolutely horrible at his job, but never forget that he is a symptom and not the cause.

That’s why I don’t care if he’s fired, or if he’s managing the trade deadline moves or draft.

 

[Chainshot]

Remember GMTM acting like someone had killed his dog when he had to "settle" for drafting a guy who would end up a cup winning no doubt about it first ballot Hall Of Famer with another organization and poisoning the team's relationship with the guy from the start?

Probably because he knew that McDavid was the far better player?

 

[OkimLom]

Murray sucked. Stop with this revisionist nonsense.

Adams sucks as hard or harder. These aren’t mutually exclusive ideas.

Reading comprehension would show you that I'm more focused on the mindset of Murray as his time as GM. THAT's what I want, NOT Murray.

 

[joshjull]

At least Murray kept things interesting and was willing to part with a core that he didn't see working.

What? Murray got hired in Jan 2014. We already started a tear down/rebuild well before he got here. The only “core” level player left was Miller/Tallinder.

 

[joshjull]

Reading comprehension would show you that I'm more focused on the mindset of Murray as his time as GM. THAT's what I want, NOT Murray.

My reading comprehension tells me your original post was not reality so I didn’t specifically address it. But since you mention it.

The Sabres had already embarked on a tear down/rebuild. In the year prior to Murray’s hiring they had; fired Lindy (Feb 2013), traded away Pommer/Regehr/Leopold (2013 trade deadline) and traded Vanek (beginning 13-14 season). Murray came in and continued what was already started but went even harder into it.

I would hope a GM taking over a team tearing down/rebuilding would realize he needs better players.

 

[sabremike]

Probably because he knew that McDavid was the far better player?

I think you missed the point: a non-sociopath would not publicly state his displeasure over having to "settle" for a guy who would have easily gone 1OA in almost any other draft. He needlessly poisoned the relationship between Jack and the organization from day one with catastrophic consequences.

 

[Chainshot]

I think you missed the point: a non-sociopath would not publicly state his displeasure over having to "settle" for a guy who would have easily gone 1OA in almost any other draft. He needlessly poisoned the relationship between Jack and the organization from day one with catastrophic consequences.

Oh, I got your point. If Jack is such a mental midget that he thinks someone making a face is poisoning the well, he's a bigger child than his off-ice actions indicate. Which wouldn't be a surprise.

 

[sabremike]

Oh, I got your point. If Jack is such a mental midget that he thinks someone making a face is poisoning the well, he's a bigger child than his off-ice actions indicate. Which wouldn't be a surprise.

He didn't just make faces, he made public comments expressing his dismay. It was insane behavior for a GM but TM is a nasty sociopath (why do you think everyone in the sport took such glee in his complete failure)?

 

[Chainshot]

He didn't just make faces, he made public comments expressing his dismay. It was insane behavior for a GM but TM is a nasty sociopath (why do you think everyone in the sport took such glee in his complete failure)?

Yes, he said he didn't like losing the lottery. Yes, he had plenty of other issues which is why he's not working in hockey.

No, I don't think that had anything to do with Eichel being a dick.

 

[Ace]

I’d rather have a sociopath that tries than a lapdog who doesn’t. I’d rather have someone who is honest in their anger when they lose than smiles and lies through their teeth about how much they care and the state of the franchise.

 

[slip]

Speaking of real, certified sociopaths, how's Evander Kane doing?

 

[Fjordy]

Doesn't his contract end after this season?

 

[HaNotsri]

Speaking of real, certified sociopaths, how's Evander Kane doing?

I can still see him enter the zone and shoot the puck wide into the corner for an immediate counter attack

 

[truthbluth]

Every Sabres win is like a bolt of darkness, further diminishing my faint hope that we might be reaching the end of this insane and inane experiment with the rink manager.

 

[Archie Lee]

Oh, I got your point. If Jack is such a mental midget that he thinks someone making a face is poisoning the well, he's a bigger child than his off-ice actions indicate. Which wouldn't be a surprise.

Murray was a weird dude. His demeanor on lottery night was bizarre and unflattering to the franchise, regardless of how Jack took it.

In Bull Durham, Crash Davis tells Nuke Laloosh to get some shower thongs without mold on them. Crash tells Nuke that if he gets to the show he can have moldy shower thongs and people will call him eccentric or colourful, but in the minors it just makes him a slob. That’s how I feel about Murray. If he had won anything as a GM, his awkward presentation and odd quirks would have been endearing (“that’s Tim Murray for ya, ha ha ha!l). Given his lack of accomplishment as a GM, he was just unprofessional and strange.

 

[TehDoak]

Murray sucked. Stop with this revisionist nonsense.

Adams sucks as hard or harder. These aren’t mutually exclusive ideas.

Murrays issue is that he was trying to build the 2007 ducks in 2014 when the league had changed considerably. But, he was able to acquire players and had a clear vision. The vision just wasn't good and he lacked interpersonal skills which caused internal issue

Adams vision is bad and he doesn't know how to implement it. He lacks the foundational knowledge of running a team and building out a front office.

Murray was working too fast with a bad blue print with bad results. But at least you could see what he was trying to do.

Adams is homer simpson trying to build an outdoor bbq.



In the end, it doesn't matter, the end results are the same, failure. I fear Adams tenure here might have much worse repercussions than Murray's did.

And, to make matters worse, Adams is still here.

 

[toddkaz]

Murrays issue is that he was trying to build the 2007 ducks in 2014 when the league had changed considerably. But, he was able to acquire players and had a clear vision. The vision just wasn't good and he lacked interpersonal skills which caused internal issue

Adams vision is bad and he doesn't know how to implement it. He lacks the foundational knowledge of running a team and building out a front office.

Murray was working too fast with a bad blue print with bad results. But at least you could see what he was trying to do.

Adams is homer simpson trying to build an outdoor bbq.



In the end, it doesn't matter, the end results are the same, failure. I fear Adams tenure here might have much worse repercussions than Murray's did.

And, to make matters worse, Adams is still here.

Didn't Murray have a mandate from the owner to get to the playoffs as quickly as possible? I kind of remember it coming out back then.

 

[Chainshot]

Murray was on record trying to build a heavy team akin to the recent Cup champion Kings. He leaned into his athletic but stupid types like Bogosian and then hired a coach who wanted his defense to beat at least one checker, then stretch pass in isolation when they could barely handle being forechecked. Weirdly, Botterill leaned the other way but also got rid of all the heavier style playing forwards. Clearly, neither worked.

 

[Beerz]

Murray's downfall was he neglected the defense. I believe he would of got us there but unfortunately he had his way of doing things and didn't care what Pegula thought or said.

 

[Fjordy]

We need a GM who will listen to Pegula tactfully and carefully, but do what he thinks is right.