Kevyn Adams GM thread

[BFLO]

That seems to be more reflective of not having any monster deals and icing the youngest roster in the NHL. The "youth" teams always have a ton of cap, even when taking on bad deals. There is a lot of merit into what Kevyn talked about in his presser, getting talent to come here is a monumental task for a bunch of reasons, including his mistakes. It sounds like he tried to spend the cap in the off-season but it's hard to make people come here

For 5 years in a row? Going with a youth movement doesn’t stop you from signing good UFA’s instead of the cheap, bottom of the barrel guys like Adams has.

 

[SundherDome]

For 5 years in a row? Going with a youth movement doesn’t stop you from signing good UFA’s instead of the cheap, bottom of the barrel guys like Adams has.

Yeah, his first two years were rebuild years and the third one was one too but they far exceeded expectations. That season caused the season 4 meltdown as he put all his eggs in the youth basket with a few vets. Year 5 he added a bunch of fa's and spent a bunch of money but much like year 4, the core has shit the bed. You also have to understand that good fa's get to pick their spot and then work on the money. Guys like Lindholm, DeBrusk, Monahan, Walker, Pesce, Dillon, Roy, Stolarz were never going to come here, regardless of how much money was thrown at them.

 

[toddkaz]

Yeah, his first two years were rebuild years and the third one was one too but they far exceeded expectations. That season caused the season 4 meltdown as he put all his eggs in the youth basket with a few vets. Year 5 he added a bunch of fa's and spent a bunch of money but much like year 4, the core has shit the bed. You also have to understand that good fa's get to pick their spot and then work on the money. Guys like Lindholm, DeBrusk, Monahan, Walker, Pesce, Dillon, Roy, Stolarz were never going to come here, regardless of how much money was thrown at them.

Can you tell me what is it he did the first two years that were the foundation of the rebuild? I don't see it. I don't see where he built a defense or offense.

 

[sabresnyper]

 

[yasky]

The Buffalo Sabres would be a much much much better franchise if TG had no political delusions

This is what you meant

 

[SundherDome]

Can you tell me what is it he did the first two years that were the foundation of the rebuild? I don't see it. I don't see where he built a defense or offense.

He stripped down the roster and put young guys in hard to succeed positions. It was clearly flawed and the reason we are here.

 

[Ace]

He stripped down the roster and put young guys in hard to succeed positions. It was clearly flawed and the reason we are here.

You’ve described going cheap with no plan to build a roster or help young players progress.

He asked what he did to rebuild.

Trading players who demand out and won’t re-sign or, god forbid, need surgery isn’t a rebuilding plan. It’s having players make your decisions for you. Because you are a goddamned joke.

 

[debaser66]

Burning it all down to save it didn’t work in Vietnam, and it sure as hell won’t save this team the third time around.

Keep what you got, trade for what you need, bring in more vets who know how to navigate adversity, find a better GM, and get into the playoffs for next season.

Enough with the nihilistic melodrama.

we need the spectacle for distraction

 

[Chainshot]

 

[May Day 10]

Having an amateur like granato coach them for more than 2 years without a coaching search seems like it was more devastating than I feared when they decided to carry him on from Krueger staff

It's like a tapestry of bad decisions that never have good outcomes.

They so desperately need someone to lead the front office who knows what they are doing. Carrying on all the assistant coaches and (for some reason) grooming appert to be the head coach is the next big folly

 

[Jim Bob]

Having an amateur like granato coach them for more than 2 years without a coaching search seems like it was more devastating than I feared when they decided to carry him on from Krueger staff

It's like a tapestry of bad decisions that never have good outcomes.

They so desperately need someone to lead the front office who knows what they are doing. Carrying on all the assistant coaches and (for some reason) grooming appert to be the head coach is the next big folly

They had a coaching search after the season.

In fact, a lot of people questioned why it took so long to make the decision on the permanent coach as Granato was out there hanging in the wind long into the offseason.

 

[Fjordy]

They had a coaching search after the season.

In fact, a lot of people questioned why it took so long to make the decision on the permanent coach as Granato was out there hanging in the wind long into the offseason.

Maybe Adams was waiting for RBA situation to develop?

 

[Jim Bob]

Terry Pegula meets with players and hockey operations staff to address on-ice results

Admist a 10-game losing streak, Terry Pegula flew to Montreal to meet with his hockey operations staff and players.

www.expectedbuffalo.com

I’ve mentioned a few times that Adams has more rope here than people want to believe. Ownership believes in him and his trust. That trust part is critical to Pegula. I still believe that if Adams is removed from the general manager position he wouldn’t be out of the organization. They would find another role for him and allow someone else to step in to make the day-to-day hockey decisions.

 

[Jim Bob]

Maybe Adams was waiting for RBA situation to develop?

Sabres' Don Granato Sheds Interim Status, Hired As Next Head Coach - The Hockey Writers Sabres Management Latest News, Analysis & More

The Buffalo Sabres hired Don Granato as their newest head coach on Tuesday, officially removing his interim status.

thehockeywriters.com

Adams’ Coaching Search Was Extensive​

In his press conference appearances since the end of the season when he announced he would be conducting a search for a new head coach, Adams called his interview process “extensive,” and considering how long it took for him to make a final decision, I’m inclined to believe he truly did his due diligence in making the right hire. I speculated some veteran NHL coaches could be in the conversation, including Bruce Boudreau, Rick Tocchet, John Tortorella, and Bob Hartley, but Granato has earned his chance as a first-time NHL coach, and his record at different levels of hockey speaks for itself.

Maybe. RBA signed an extension in Carolina 12 days prior to Granato shedding the interim tag in Buffalo. But, given that RBA signed his extension in mid-June, Adams wouldn't have been able to talk to RBA until 7/1. Unless there was "soft tampering" going on.

 

[May Day 10]

I dont remember any actual interviews which are normally publicly known to some degree.

It seemed like Adams just claiming they were leaving "no stone unturned" like Russ Brandon, then doing what everyone knew they were just going to do anyway

 

[Jim Bob]

I dont remember any actual interviews which are normally publicly known to some degree.

It seemed like Adams just claiming they were leaving "no stone unturned" like Russ Brandon, then doing what everyone knew they were just going to do anyway

I remember at least one interview that Don Granato did in May or June and he sure seemed like someone who was uncertain how things would play out and someone that was told that other coaches were being interviewed.

He did not sound like it was a foregone conclusion that he was getting the job.

 

[joshjull]

Chad heard the same...

The dreaded vote of confidence

 

[BFLO]

Yeah, his first two years were rebuild years and the third one was one too but they far exceeded expectations. That season caused the season 4 meltdown as he put all his eggs in the youth basket with a few vets. Year 5 he added a bunch of fa's and spent a bunch of money but much like year 4, the core has shit the bed. You also have to understand that good fa's get to pick their spot and then work on the money. Guys like Lindholm, DeBrusk, Monahan, Walker, Pesce, Dillon, Roy, Stolarz were never going to come here, regardless of how much money was thrown at them.

Where are the other Zuckers of the last 5 years? Decent UFA who was willing to sign here for 1.5x-2x what he’s worth. And can then be traded for value at the TDL. What do we think Zucker is worth? Like a 2nd or 3rd rounder?

We’ve had ~60 million in cumulative cap space over the last 5 years. That’s ~12x Zuckers that we never signed. That’s 12x 2nd/3rd round picks we could have used as trade ammunition or picks we could have made. Heck, one of those 12 UFAs might have even been worth re-signing to a long term deal and wanted to stay.

Not spending that money to at least acquire trade assets is waving the white flag of surrender.

 

[toddkaz]

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

How many days between the total confidence quote about GMJB came before he got fired? 2?

Not saying this is the case here, but it wouldn't be unprecedented.

 

[Beerz]

How many days between the total confidence quote about GMJB came before he got fired? 2?

Not saying this is the case here, but it wouldn't be unprecedented.

It was like 2 or 3 weeks

 

[OkimLom]

Where are the other Zuckers of the last 5 years? Decent UFA who was willing to sign here for 1.5x-2x what he’s worth. And can then be traded for value at the TDL. What do we think Zucker is worth? Like a 2nd or 3rd rounder?

We’ve had ~60 million in cumulative cap space over the last 5 years. That’s ~12x Zuckers that we never signed. That’s 12x 2nd/3rd round picks we could have used as trade ammunition or picks we could have made. Heck, one of those 12 UFAs might have even been worth re-signing to a long term deal and wanted to stay.

Not spending that money to at least acquire trade assets is waving the white flag of surrender.

Depends who is made available (to other teams of course) and how quickly management goes into selling mode. I can see Zucker being worth a 3rd or 4th round pick. If Adams/or GM to be named later, weaponizes their cap space he could probably increase the value of pick coming back.

 

[BFLO]

Depends who is made available (to other teams of course) and how quickly management goes into selling mode. I can see Zucker being worth a 3rd or 4th round pick. If Adams/or GM to be named later, weaponizes their cap space he could probably increase the value of pick coming back.

My point wasn't what zucker's exact value is, my point is what was the $60m in unspent cap worth in trade value over the last 5 years?

I'm guessing it's at least worth the difference between being a playoff team and the team that we are right now.