Kevyn Adams GM thread

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You said he hasnt made the playoffs in 4 tries, when he only has tried twice, yr 1 with Hall and this current year.
If the results are worse in the years where he tried to make the playoffs than in the years where he didn't then why would anyone still want him as GM?

2020-2021 54 points(pace) Dead last place. Tried to make the playoffs
2021-2022 75 points Did not try
2022-2023 91 points Did not try
2023-2024 82 points(pace). Tried to make the playoffs

68 point pace average in years he tried to make the playoffs.
83 points average in years he did not try to make the playoffs.
 
You know what would have been easy to say at any point?

“I’m going to improve this team”.

Doesn’t need follow ups right now. Needed to be said. Not a half dozen reasons doing it is hard. Not tepid admissions that you failed so far. Not wishy washy statements on plans and players. I don’t want to see the word “try” anywhere near it. You’ve talked about trying for so many years without results I’m not convinced you even know what the word means. Just f***ing say “I am going to improve this team”. Not…we need to get better every day. Not internal growth. Not anything else that isn’t a flat out admission the roster is not good enough and that you will improve it.

Next offseason anything short of “our goal is to make the playoffs and failure to do so will be met with consequences” is unacceptable. Because people pretended that was the case last off-season when you were busy failing to improve the team and were talking about internal growth and getting better every day. Enough people that we somehow find ourselves in the same spot again…waiting for a standard and consequences for failure to meet that standard. Is finishing in the top half of the league after FIVE offseasons too high a standard? It sure was for four.

one last one…your job is not, in fact, to listen and have conversations on everyone. Your job…is to improve the team and accomplish a set goal of making the playoffs. That was your job last offseason…and you didnt do it. That is only still your job this off-season because Pegula is a joke owner. If it is still your job in two offseasons move the f***ing team.

The highest priority of this organization is "communication", "conversations", and "challenging one another". This is all code for having an inexperienced GM, AGM, limited front office, and a coaching staff who is fine with entertaining all the owner's ideas and input.

The rube owner thinks that winning will be an eventual biproduct of this utopia of communication and challenging one another
 
Friedman thinks major surgery comes this offseason for the roster. We’ll see.
I don't believe a damn word Friedman is saying, but let's go with the thought here.

If the team needed major surgery, meaning changes to the core, and Adams has been overly conservative throughout his tenure here, even at times where it was apparent they needed some changes, even minor moves, why should we trust the man, that put us in this position, is capable of performing said major surgery competently.

I predict the biggest changes we see is an array of assistant coaching hires with Ellis being the lone guy left over.
 
I'll believe it when I see it.

I wonder if that is Friedman's personal feeling.

Conventional thinking is one thing. Then there is the Sabres. Then there is the fact they are/have been painting themselves into a corner with their roster and salary structure.


If the Sabres end the season *strong, like they have played since the all star break. I do not believe any changes will be made to the coaches. I could see a consequential trade involving futures this Summer, and a few mid to low level UFA signings.

UPL looking the way he does change the outlook. He will be due a nice raise, as will Mittelstadt. If I know Adams by now, each will be locked in for a long period of time with an overpayment/team risk on the front end.
 
Sabres are by all accounts a bubble team. Lack of consistency, which they have now. Also if this team just made it to overtime a few more times.....same regulation wins a s Toronto. Top 3 team in NHL winning when leading entering the third under Granato. This was a BAD YEAR. Big changes are not required. Give me a good D, a good F, and a solid backup and I am good. The 4th line reconstruction of course.
 
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I think people are underselling the messaging imbedded in the recent press release.

1. We are trying….to build a playoff team. Nothing about Cups anymore. And it is hard. ( most things worthwhile are hard)
2. We will spend to improve the experience by giving you a new scoreboard ( not the big one, the open box one at Scoreboards are us) and fix the roof ( well because we might lose our occupancy permit.)
3. Signed Terry AND Kevyn. ( I Terry am one hundred percent okay with things the way the are and I have identified some sleepers in the third round that will turn the tide, and Kevyn is safe.)

All the ideas we banter about are simply hot air because the most important person in the decision tree does not see a problem that needs to be addressed.
 
I think people are underselling the messaging imbedded in the recent press release.

1. We are trying….to build a playoff team. Nothing about Cups anymore. And it is hard. ( most things worthwhile are hard)
2. We will spend to improve the experience by giving you a new scoreboard ( not the big one, the open box one at Scoreboards are us) and fix the roof ( well because we might lose our occupancy permit.)
3. Signed Terry AND Kevyn. ( I Terry am one hundred percent okay with things the way the are and I have identified some sleepers in the third round that will turn the tide, and Kevyn is safe.)

All the ideas we banter about are simply hot air because the most important person in the decision tree does not see a problem that needs to be addressed.
I think this is how most small market teams function -- we just need to get used to Terry not trying to use his money as a competitive advantage anymore. It sucks but it is what it is. If someone else bought the team, they'd probably suck and be doing the same thing.

If I could, I'd simply be a fan of another team but I'm instead trying to wean myself off this dumb sport overall.
 
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I wonder if that is Friedman's personal feeling.

Conventional thinking is one thing. Then there is the Sabres. Then there is the fact they are/have been painting themselves into a corner with their roster and salary structure.


If the Sabres end the season *strong, like they have played since the all star break. I do not believe any changes will be made to the coaches. I could see a consequential trade involving futures this Summer, and a few mid to low level UFA signings.

UPL looking the way he does change the outlook. He will be due a nice raise, as will Mittelstadt. If I know Adams by now, each will be locked in for a long period of time with an overpayment/team risk on the front end.
From the way Adams talked, the most I am expecting is adding a Robinson-type 4th liner or two, maybe try and get an upgrade over what EJ brought this year on D, and probably just go with UPL & Levi in goal.

That isn't major roster surgery to me.
 
I think this is how most small market teams function -- we just need to get used to Terry not trying to use his money as a competitive advantage anymore. It sucks but it is what it is. If someone else bought the team, they'd probably suck and be doing the same thing.

If I could, I'd simply be a fan of another team but I'm instead trying to wean myself off this dumb sport overall.
I wouldn’t expect an owner in the WNY market to use out of pocket funds. There is limited return potential. But he can say I want to be at least above the Mendoza line and make the playoffs. There is a league imposed cap. Nobody is asking to spend above it or try and circumvent it. But the first and most important thing for someone in TPs position to do is to say that the status quo is unacceptable and the jobs of those below me are dependent on fixing things now.
 
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I wouldn’t expect an owner in the WNY market to use out of pocket funds. There is limited return potential. But he can say I want to be at least above the Mendoza line and make the playoffs. There is a league imposed cap. Nobody is asking to spend above it or try and circumvent it. But the first and most important thing for someone in TPs position to do is to say that the status quo is unacceptable and the jobs of those below me are dependent on fixing things now.
I'm not sure I get what you're driving at. He'll definitely be spending to the cap by the time the 25/26 season rolls around. There is almost no avoiding it with the contracts he's already signed.

And again, the only thing that I expect a person like him to find unacceptable is to keep wasting good money after bad, which means not spending more money than he has to. His only concern right now is the dwindling revenue at the gates, but he has no one to hold accountable since he handpicked the GM and chose not to hire a president, so his only option is to be patient and stay the course.

I don't see any scenario where this team meets your expectations of what a successful team is or what they should do.

From the way Adams talked, the most I am expecting is adding a Robinson-type 4th liner or two, maybe try and get an upgrade over what EJ brought this year on D, and probably just go with UPL & Levi in goal.

That isn't major roster surgery to me.
Are you guys talking deadline or offseason?

Deadline? Who cares, why bother.
Offseason? Tons of opportunity for major surgery.
 
I'm not sure I get what you're driving at. He'll definitely be spending to the cap by the time the 25/26 season rolls around. There is almost no avoiding it with the contracts he's already signed.

And again, the only thing that I expect a person like him to find unacceptable is to keep wasting good money after bad, which means not spending more money than he has to. His only concern right now is the dwindling revenue at the gates, but he has no one to hold accountable since he handpicked the GM and chose not to hire a president, so his only option is to be patient and stay the course.

I don't see any scenario where this team meets your expectations of what a successful team is or what they should do.


Are you guys talking deadline or offseason?

Deadline? Who cares, why bother.
Offseason? Tons of opportunity for major surgery.
They are sitting on a metric ton of prospects and draft capital, and have allowed an inexperienced and incompetent gm to hand out participation award contracts to players before they have established that they are part of the solution. They are committed to a coach who has hit his ceiling and his assistants who seem to be less effective by the day. By saying Kevyn the draft your way to respectability has never worked and you need to use the assets to get some experienced NHL vets in here would be a start. Being patient? For what? It will be groundhog day all over again. This team isn’t that good. The prospects aren’t that much better than what the other teams have. An owner saying the job is to win would be a start.

And that by the way addresses the revenue concerns. Win and they will come. And none of the contracts recently signed have trade protection. They are all movable. No one’s hands are tied here other than to a belief that things aren’t bad. That imho is the problem. The emperor is butt naked.
 
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They are sitting on a metric ton of prospects and draft capital, and have allowed an inexperienced and incompetent gm to hand out participation award contracts to players before they have established that they are part of the solution. They are committed to a coach who has hit his ceiling and his assistants who seem to be less effective by the day. By saying Kevyn the draft your way to respectability has never worked and you need to use the assets to get some experienced NHL vets in here would be a start. Being patient? For what? It will be groundhog day all over again. This team isn’t that good. The prospects aren’t that much better than what the other teams have. An owner saying the job is to win would be a start.

And that by the way addresses the revenue concerns. Win and they will come. And none of the contracts recently signed have trade protection. They are all movable. No one’s hands are tied here other than to a belief that things aren’t bad. That imho is the problem. The emperor is butt naked.
Again, he doesn't care about any of the points you're raising, and it doesn't matter what anyone but him thinks. Why do you even follow the team at this point? If this team is ever good, it will be by accident, and probably short-lived.
 
Again, he doesn't care about any of the points you're raising, and it doesn't matter what anyone but him thinks. Why do you even follow the team at this point? If this team is ever good, it will be by accident, and probably short-lived.
The same could be said of you. I pointed out that as the owner he has the ability to set the expectations. I also know he has expressed confidence in the current management. You msde the assumption that the Sabres are resigned to mediocrity bc the market is small. That is irrelevant. They have the same opportunity with what they currently have to be a playoff team if ownership so desires.
 
The same could be said of you. I pointed out that as the owner he has the ability to set the expectations. I also know he has expressed confidence in the current management. You msde the assumption that the Sabres are resigned to mediocrity bc the market is small. That is irrelevant. They have the same opportunity with what they currently have to be a playoff team if ownership so desires.
But they don't desire. I really don't understand your point except that you have higher expectations than ownership, and everyone would agree with you. Unfortunately, you're not the owner, and I'm over being upset about it.
 
But they don't desire. I really don't understand your point except that you have higher expectations than ownership, and everyone would agree with you. Unfortunately, you're not the owner, and I'm over being upset about it.
Then why are you here? Are you waiting for the fickle hand of chance? I know I am not the owner. Your point is obtuse. And I think we are in agreement that until the owner's desires change, nothing changes. My original post, in the GM thread, was to point out this is not simply a gm issue. Thinking the gm will change course without incentive to do so is misguided.
 
Are you guys talking deadline or offseason?

Deadline? Who cares, why bother.
Offseason? Tons of opportunity for major surgery.
If you listened to what Adams said on WGR or the conversation between Bakes and Fairburn, I don't know how you can believe that Adams is thinking about major surgery to the roster.

He did not sound like a GM that wanted to move out core guys, including Mitts. And they have so many guys under team control next year that major roster surgery would require moving some core guys to bring in new core guys from outside the organization.
 
If the results are worse in the years where he tried to make the playoffs than in the years where he didn't then why would anyone still want him as GM?

2020-2021 54 points(pace) Dead last place. Tried to make the playoffs
2021-2022 75 points Did not try
2022-2023 91 points Did not try
2023-2024 82 points(pace). Tried to make the playoffs

68 point pace average in years he tried to make the playoffs.
83 points average in years he did not try to make the playoffs.

To add on to this, it is also insane to me that anybody could say "well he didn't even try and make the playoffs for 2 of his 4 years" and think that that is OK.

Imagine being on the job for 4 years and telling your boss "well listen, I know I didn't hit target for 4 consecutive year. But this past year? This was the only year I actually really tried to do it. So basically I only missed once....which isn't that bad when you think of it.
 
Friedman thinks major surgery comes this offseason for the roster. We’ll see.

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If you listened to what Adams said on WGR or the conversation between Bakes and Fairburn, I don't know how you can believe that Adams is thinking about major surgery to the roster.

He did not sound like a GM that wanted to move out core guys, including Mitts. And they have so many guys under team control next year that major roster surgery would require moving some core guys to bring in new core guys from outside the organization.

Unfortunately this is probably the correct take of the offseason plan, and another reason why the ownership shouldn't hesitate to replace Adams. We saw the absolute idiocy that banking on internal growth to fix issues of roster construction has led to.

This isn't a cup contender. This isn't even a playoff team in a league where 50% of the of the teams make the playoffs. This is a team a poorly constructed forward and defensive group. And I've got $20 that says at the season ending press conference, "injuries" will be blamed during a season where our losses due to injuries have right around the league average.

There's always an opportunity for Adams to surprise us and come out and make some roster shifting moves, but I certainly wouldn't hold your breath.

The likely outcome for this summer is we scoop up and overpay a name RH supporting D via UFA, sell off a d-man for peanuts, pickup a vet 4th line forward, and overpay Mittelstadt on a 7-8 year deal, because why not. And we'll be back here next year wondering what happened and where'd all our cap space go.
 
Then why are you here? Are you waiting for the fickle hand of chance? I know I am not the owner. Your point is obtuse. And I think we are in agreement that until the owner's desires change, nothing changes. My original post, in the GM thread, was to point out this is not simply a gm issue. Thinking the gm will change course without incentive to do so is misguided.
I'm here because I follow the team and like to talk about them -- I don't sit here pouting and demanding unrealistic things about ownership, which is literally the one single thing that we know isn't changing. It's like complaining about the sun.
 
They are sitting on a metric ton of prospects and draft capital, and have allowed an inexperienced and incompetent gm to hand out participation award contracts to players before they have established that they are part of the solution. They are committed to a coach who has hit his ceiling and his assistants who seem to be less effective by the day. By saying Kevyn the draft your way to respectability has never worked and you need to use the assets to get some experienced NHL vets in here would be a start. Being patient? For what? It will be groundhog day all over again. This team isn’t that good. The prospects aren’t that much better than what the other teams have. An owner saying the job is to win would be a start.

And that by the way addresses the revenue concerns. Win and they will come. And none of the contracts recently signed have trade protection. They are all movable. No one’s hands are tied here other than to a belief that things aren’t bad. That imho is the problem. The emperor is butt naked.

The year Terry bought the team the Sabres averaged 99.9% attendance/capacity for the season and were top ten in total fans.

2 months into this season the Sabres were second worst in the league in % to capacicty just ahead of San Jose, and 4th from the bottom in raw fan attendance. The crazy part is that we are 4th in attendance increase from the 22-23 season.

In addition to destroying the Sabres historical P%, Terry Pegula has destroyed Buffalo as a hockey town. If he wants to make more money he needs to put a real life NHL team back on the ice.
 
If you listened to what Adams said on WGR or the conversation between Bakes and Fairburn, I don't know how you can believe that Adams is thinking about major surgery to the roster.

He did not sound like a GM that wanted to move out core guys, including Mitts. And they have so many guys under team control next year that major roster surgery would require moving some core guys to bring in new core guys from outside the organization.
I said there was plenty of opportunity. I have zero insight into whether it actually happens.

My post was mainly trying to figure out if the conversation was about the deadline or offseason. I STILL can't tell based on your answer, so I must have put the question marks in the wrong places or something.
 

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