The more I think about it the more impressive it is that AV created the Skjei-Shatt pairing. Like I’m fascinated by his thought process. Would love to get a glimpse into his mind. Like for purely psychopathological purposes.
Fascinating. There are more than one of you.His thought process was probably "Wow, this guy Shattenkirk has been horrific at even strength wherever I put him, so I might as well try this"
Nash and Shattenkirk have combined for 2 points in their last 10 games.
It's not inappropriate to have stern opinions about that.
Fascinating. There are more than one of you.
Considering Shattenkirk has put up good numbers with Staal and McDonagh in their limited time together before being put with Skjei, and Skjei and Shattenkirk have been together most of the season and put up awful numbers, you would once again be wrong.His thought process was probably "Wow, this guy Shattenkirk has been horrific at even strength wherever I put him, so I might as well try this"
Shattenkirk is almost playing as horridly as Skjei is at the moment. Putting them together is supposed to achieve what? double the damage?Moderates who realize blame should fall on both the player and the coach? Yes. I'd hope so.
Shattenkirk's game is so bad right now that blaming it on the coach/what pairing he's on lacks any critical thinking skills.
Shattenkirk is almost playing as horridly as Skjei is at the moment. Putting them together is supposed to achieve what? double the damage?
Shattenkirk played well with Staal, so no.Seemingly everyone has acknowledged that AV is doing the right thing by essentially not asking Shattenkirk to play defense and putting him in position to maximize his offensive skills yet it's still AV's fault he's been terrible because Shattenkirk can only be useful when paired with Ryan McDonagh. Nice.
That's what you're ultimately saying here, right? Shattenkirk is only useful if he's paired with McDonagh. Or are you not saying that and just using this thread as another forum to criticize AV?
What? Hes being asked to anchor a d-pair while Skjei gets to run wild on the offensive zone and not play a lick of defense.Seemingly everyone has acknowledged that AV is doing the right thing by essentially not asking Shattenkirk to play defense and putting him in position to maximize his offensive skills yet it's still AV's fault he's been terrible because Shattenkirk can only be useful when paired with Ryan McDonagh. Nice.
That's what you're ultimately saying here, right? Shattenkirk is only useful if he's paired with McDonagh. Or are you not saying that and just using this thread as another forum to criticize AV?
Shattenkirk played well with Staal, so no.
They have played just over 100 minutes together, they were playing together right before AV decided to put him with Skjei for some reason.How long and when have they even played together? Not being snarky, I just really don't know.
Shattenkirk and Staal played 10:22 togetherHow long and when have they even played together? Not being snarky, I just really don't know.
That can’t be right, I remember Staal-Shattenkirk being paired for at least a few consecutive games earlier this year. Weird.Shattenkirk and Staal played 10:22 together
52:16 with McD
453:07 with Skjei
It is abundantly clear which pairing didnt work. And to make things worse, he was absolutely dominant with McDonagh in those 52 minutes.
That can’t be right, I remember Staal-Shattenkirk being paired for at least a few consecutive games earlier this year. Weird.
Either way, the point still stands as you say, Skjei/Shatty have been given enough time and proven that they don’t work together.
Skjei irresponsibly runs around all game, he needs a stay at home partner. AV is essentially asking Shatty to occupy his normal role as well as that stay at home role in this pair and surprise surprise he’s not getting the results he wants.
Skjei and Shatty both need partners who are more defensively responsible than they are.
And I know everyone thinks Skjei is Jesus on ice, but truth is that’s he’s been just as much at fault for that pairing’s failings as Shatty, maybe even more so. Skjei has been really bad for quite a while now.
How AV has kept this pair together is beyond me.
You know what system Shatty would most benefit from?
One that isn't corn studded dog ****i! Haha
You know what partner Shatty would most benefit from?
Girardi! Haha
He was never elite as to be elite, one needs to at least think about playing defense every now and in a blue moon.Shattenkirk was elite when paired with Staal and McD, y'know like when he wasn't being asked to cover his partner's defensive deficiencies.
Great point. I recall all of the arguments how he was a legit top pairing defenseman and a great shot suppressor to boot.This made me laugh, but it also references an interesting point. Theres been a lot of debate on this board over the last few years about the attributes for a defenseman. Out with the old, in with the new. You gotta move the puck to survive in this day and age. The argument basically was that you can never have enough "puck movers" like Shattenkirk. But now, for some, the argument is that Shattenkirk needs to be paired with a "safer" partner to succeed? Interesting.
The attributes a defensemen needs? How about they can move the puck without constantly dumping it out, can skate enough to beat a forecheck one on one in order to make the pass, skate well enough to make up for their positional mistakes at times, and have some sort of defensive prowess/positional awareness. Basically what used to be called a good two way player. It's not easy to get a group like that but as is the Rangers currently only have one defender who checks all the boxes in McD, when he is healthy.
Shattenkirk leads the defense in relative shot attempts against per 60.Great point. I recall all of the arguments how he was a legit top pairing defenseman and a great shot suppressor to boot.
His offense is not making much of a dent on the PP nor ES. So while it is great that he is leading in shots per 60, it does not change the fact that it makes very little difference in the teams overall output.Shattenkirk leads the defense in relative shot attempts against per 60.
I think he's eating a lot of poor luck in terms of being on the ice for goals that are not directly his fault. I'd like to imagine a correction is incoming, but obviously there's no guarantee for that.