Rumor: Kevin Hayes to St. Louis gaining steam - rumored to be 'huge' deal involving many players

[JKG33]

Why on earth would Hurricanes want Krug?

Why would they want Deangelo?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Why on earth would Hurricanes want Krug?

Depending on the level of retention he could be of interest

 

[StreetHawk]

I suspect GMs are always active and in trade talks. It may look bad if a certain player with a NTC or NMC is often in trade talks, gets notified each time only for the trade to not happen. Would certainly disgruntle the player after a while.

So I think it makes sense to not tell them until the trade is basically done

As the GM, if you are actively looking to move the player, you better get a good idea of what couple to few teams that he would be willing to waive the NTC for. Cause, most are not going to waive to go to what is expected to be a rebuilding team.

Don't blame Krug for not wanting to go to Philly who appear to be in full rebuild mode. This would now have to almost turn into a 3 way trade, where Krug lands with another team to make it happen. Would more than likely require some type of retention or taking back a contract to make the cap work.

 

[Curufinwe]

Krug signing in St Louis after that hateful Finals series was always weird to me.

I have no problem with him saying no to moving to Philly, though. I’m down with NTC.

If its a hayes @ 50% for a late round pick, then why not? We need a Middle 6 C. We can keep him for a year or two and flip him with more retention at a deadline to recoup whatever asset we gave up + more. I don't mind it as long as he is cheap.

If we are still givng up one of our top 4 prospects or a 1st...then we riot.

Wasn’t the rumor that the Blues were interested in Laughton and offering the 25th or 29th?

That would be a better acquisition than Hayes at 50% for a 3rd of whatever.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Why on earth would Hurricanes want Krug?

If we are talking short term Krug is light years ahead of ADA.

But 4 years worth? ummmmmm

 

[Petes2424]

Which is particularly strange because the initial leak came from a St. Louis reporter

It was O’Connor who first reported it was a NTC issues, and Silver who said it was Krug. Both Philly guys.

All Strickland did was say he’s heard the Blues are in the process of finalizing a deal for Hayes. Then he speculated it could be bigger, which was also already out there, and listed the names of Flyers everyone knows are available. He was wrong on some of those, which tells us he didn’t have the specifics.

Reporters do that all the time. Totally acceptable. That’s their job.

It’s when you report specifics that aren’t done yet, is where things can get messy. It’s why the main site guys don’t do it. Even if they know, they don’t do it, unless it’s already out there, as it is now.

Whatever the case, someone told both those Philly guys the specifics, and they went with it. Can’t even really blame them for going with it. They’re just hurting themselves with future sources.

It’s the fact they had the specifics in the first place. So obviously common sense says it was the Flyers, since that’s the team they’re connected to.

 

[Majorityof1]

Krug signing in St Louis after that hateful Finals series was always weird to me.

I have no problem with him saying no to moving to Philly, though. I’m down with NTC.


Wasn’t the rumor that the Blues were interested in Laughton and offering the 25th or 29th?

That would be a better acquisition than Hayes at 50% for a 3rd of whatever.

The rumor was Philly turned down late first (25 or 29) plus a 2nd in a future draft like 2024 for Laughton. So the Blues moved on. Hayes is worse, but a 4th round pick for him is better than paying what Philly wants for Laughton. Especially given we aren't contending next year regardless.

 

[Hextallent63]

The idea that the Flyers are the "leaks" is a silly narrative created by a bunch if miserable Flyers "fans" on this board who hate the team and a guy who is more or less a tabloid reporter in Russ Joy.

First off, the original tweet that Hayes was headed to the Blues was from Andy Strickland, a Blues guy. After that there were several "reports" from Sanfilippo (Flyers guy) and Rutherford (Blues guy). Furthermore, a potential leak has absolutely nothing to do with why the trade is at a stand still since the holdup is Krug not waiving his NTC which has nothing to do whether or not the deal was leaked when it shouldn't have been.

As for the TDA to Carolina deal. That was originally reported by Friedman, and then LeBrun, then Lebrun said it hit a snag. At this point 90% of the "reporting" on this was from national guys. So, I'm not sure where the implication is that the Flyers leaked this and then it sabotaged the deal which whether he is right or not Sanfilippo has said will still happen.

Quite honestly, this is all just a bunch of silly and juvenile drama created by grown men and it's embarrassing.

For the record, I'm not a grown man. I identify as a 19 year old who isn't 45 and didn't lose his hair 20 years ago.

 

[Hextallent63]

The funny thing is, if you are Krug it makes perfect sense why you wouldn't waive for Philly. Any competitive person who is 32 isn't going to want to spend their last few seasons in the league being part of a rebuild. At the same time, are you really going to want to go back to a place that wants to dump you.

For Sanheim, different GM or not, he just signed an 8 year deal with a NTC that kicks in on July 1st a few months ago. Now he knows the team doesn't want him. Is he really going to be happy and be able to play at his best there with a coach who probably doesn't want him?

I still think this will all get worked out in large part because of the reasons above and the fact that both teams supposedly found a deal that worked for them and one person is holding it up. They are obviously trying to make this work anyway otherwise a smaller deal just involving Hayes for a pick or something would have been done already.

My guess is that Briere and Krug's agent are currently working their asses off to find a team who has interest in him that he would go to and it will be up to the Flyers and possibly the Blues as well to do some retention and re-work the deal a little bit to make it happen.

This could also be why the Deangelo deal (which shouldn't be complicated) hasn't been announced. If the Flyers are going to retain on Krug they might not want to use another retainment slot on Deangelo for a minimal return and instead buy him out or just keep him until the deadline. All of this is just speculation on my part of course but I would imagine there are several moving parts to all of this or deals would already be completed.

Yea, its all speculation, but there's a lot of common sense in what you've said. There are an awful lot of "insiders" that follow the flyers that don't use it, which ups speculation and makes things more complicated than it is and fills the rumor mill with a bunch of nonsense. People get into it and buy into it, I guess. My little bit of speculation after looking at all the info and rumors is the main piece is Sanhiem, with Hayes being added along with Krug and anything else involved. Im thinking its Saheim for a pick and Hayes and Krug filling things out with everything else. Maybe StL thinks Hayes is worth more to them then Krug. Just my humble opinion, of course.

Also, why are Friedman and Lebrun tweeting out today that Krug won't waive his NTC and that's why the deal is potentially falling apart as if it's new news, when this was being reported by Rutherford last night. This whole situation is making a lot of these "insiders" look like they are full of BS.

Probably got the ok from teams/who ever to say it as fact. maybe?

 

[Hextallent63]

It’s probably some cap expert nerd wanting to be cool with his buddies.

It is a big issue though. It’s obviously been there before Briere, but to be fair, he should’ve addressed it in his first front office meeting. Especially after the JVR fiasco. “You leak anything, you’re fired. Period.”

Guarantee Armstrong isn’t a happy camper right now, and Steve Yzerman didn’t appreciate having to explain the whole JVR thing to the media.

It’s not the way you want to start as a new GM. So they’ll need to weed out the idiot, because if it happens again, teams really will just ignore their calls.

Id guess this falls back on the flyers office being shit forever and not having any accountability forever and people just doing whatever they want.

 

[Hextallent63]

who’s going to be the arbitrator to decide who lives up to it and who doesn’t?

Larry Bertuzzi ?

 

[BernieParent]

Who would claim him?

also Philly is restricted on trading him if they claim him.

True but apparently not in a way that would adversely affect the Flyers' strategy to do so.

Players who are claimed off waivers must be offered to the other teams that placed an original claim before that player can be traded.

For example, if a player is placed on waivers and three teams place a claim on him. The team lowest in the standards gets first dibs. If they then decide to trade the player, he would first have to be passed on by the other two teams. If a team places a claim, he’d be theirs. If not, he can be traded.

- NHL Waiver Rules

Sure, they would be out the additional pieces they could theoretically get for him but that would likely be eclipsed by subtracting Krug with no retention if another team actually claimed him.

 

[Mike Liut]

Twitter guy says theres movement on the Krug situation.

 

[The Madrigal]

Twitter guy says theres movement on the Krug situation.

What twitter guy?

 

[Mike Liut]

What twitter guy?

a good source

 

[KrugAvoy]

Not sure if it means anything but Krug no longer has a Blues logo banner on his twitter profile. I know he did for the longest time not sure if it'd been like that for awhile though

 

[The Madrigal]

a good source

Thanks

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

a good source

Has Welch actually broken anything? I was under the assumption that him and his gf are just huge blues fans that have a decent Twitter following.

 

[Mike Liut]

Has Welch actually broken anything? I was under the assumption that him and his gf are just huge blues fans that have a decent Twitter following.

I don’t think he has a habit of breaking stories, I just think he knows people and is hearing something. I bet it’s legit. He doesn’t just throw shit out there

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

I don’t think he has a habit of breaking stories, I just think he knows people and is hearing something. I bet it’s legit. He doesn’t just throw shit out there

I guess we shall see lol

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Why would they want Deangelo?

For one, he doesn't have a total shit contract during a flat cap era I guess.

Canes aren't necessarily cheap, it's more that they are efficient with their money. Krug doesn't fit in that paradigm.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

On Twitter Krug liked a post about Pasta liking a post saying Bring Krug home (to Boston)

 

[TCB]

Krug signing in St Louis after that hateful Finals series was always weird to me.

I have no problem with him saying no to moving to Philly, though. I’m down with NTC.


Wasn’t the rumor that the Blues were interested in Laughton and offering the 25th or 29th?

That would be a better acquisition than Hayes at 50% for a 3rd of whatever.

If I remember right, that was the only real good offer Torey received and his NTC. I totally understand as he has 3 small children at home and one being a newborn.

 

[Blanick]

On Twitter Krug liked a post about Pasta liking a post saying Bring Krug home (to Boston)

I saw that too and I believe yesterday he had a Blues banner as his background on twitter, which is gone now. Tea leaves for sure but for those of us on the edge of seat waiting for something to happen, we'll take anything.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I saw that too and I believe yesterday he had a Blues banner as his background on twitter, which is gone now. Tea leaves for sure but for those of us on the edge of seat waiting for something to happen, we'll take anything.

Gotta find some way to entertain ourselves.