Value of: Kevin Fiala

[Dr Jan Itor]

Zucarello, the guy with near 80 points and a modified NMC? If you were one or the the othering things in a vacuum you'd be nuts to keep him over Fiala but considering the limitations of who you'll be able to trade with--and if you think he'll cooperate to move and not pick absolute non-starter teams you're crazy--and his BFF status with Kaprizov I don't think moving Zuccarello will be a real option. And his cap is still $2m less than what Fiala should get which means you'll probably have to replace another decent player in addition to Zuccy.

Zuccarello can be a summer of 2023 decision. Then it's only 1 season that we'd deprive ourselves of his services for sure.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Zuccarello isn't going anywhere...trust me.

When it comes to Fiala, I believe they made a decision to move him last year, doesn't matter how well he plays. Any player should showcase himself when he knows that a new big contract is just around the corner, and that's exactly what Fiala is doing with success.

It's probably true, but decisions that haven't come to fruition are allowed to be re-visited.

 

[AKL]

Zuccarello can be a summer of 2023 decision. Then it's only 1 season that we'd deprive ourselves of his services for sure.

Technically his clause turns into a 10 team no trade list on July 1, 2022, so we could trade him this summer if we wanted to.

 

[57special]

What would work from Detroit? We need elite forwards

It would start with your 1st, then add ...something good that doesn't have much cap attached(i.e. no Bertuzzi).

I get to watch Berggren quite a bit. He is a vg AHL player, but I'm not sold on him as a big time NHL'er. Not sure about his smarts. I thought Veleno was going to good, but he is also very ordinary so far...not sure what's missing.

Berggren and your 1st(8th)? Doesn't thrill me, TBH. Seems like our prospect pools are similar, with plenty of talent at LHD, and a nice G prospect. 1st, Mazur, and a 2023 2nd?

Probably the best value would be to offer your 1st and Wallinder(assuming Edvinsson is untouchable), but MN simply doesn't need more LHD prospects.

 

[RedHawkDown]

If

It would start with your 1st, then add ...something good that doesn't have much cap attached(i.e. no Bertuzzi).

I get to watch Berggren quite a bit. He is a vg AHL player, but I'm not sold on him as a big time NHL'er. Not sure about his smarts. I thought Veleno was going to good, but he is also very ordinary so far...not sure what's missing.

Berggren and your 1st(8th)? Doesn't thrill me, TBH. Seems like our prospect pools are similar, with plenty of talent at LHD, and a nice G prospect. 1st, Mazur, and a 2023 2nd?

Probably the best value would be to offer your 1st and Wallinder(assuming Edvinsson is untouchable), but MN simply doesn't need more LHD prospects.

I’d do 1st/Mazur/2nd, not sure if other wings fans would. That’s a fair deal imo.

Wallinder works too but I’d hope to hold on to him if possible

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Technically his clause turns into a 10 team no trade list on July 1, 2022, so we could trade him this summer if we wanted to.

Could, but don't have to. And if I'm looking at this summer, I choose to keep Zuccarello around vs. Dumba + Jost.

 

[57special]

If

I’d do 1st/Mazur/2nd, not sure if other wings fans would. That’s a fair deal imo.

Wallinder works too but I’d hope to hold on to him if possible

Again, Wallinder is an interesting player, but MN is pretty set with young LHD prospects.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Could, but don't have to. And if I'm looking at this summer, I choose to keep Zuccarello around vs. Dumba + Jost.

Dumba this Summer, Zuccy next summer makes the most sense to me. Keep the top 9 in tact. Brodin and Spurgeon will keep the backend serviceable. I’d like to keep Middleton too.

Rossi-Kaprizov
Boldy-Fiala

Should be the top 6 duo for atleast the next 4 years.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Dumba this Summer, Zuccy next summer makes the most sense to me. Keep the top 9 in tact. Brodin and Spurgeon will keep the backend serviceable. I’d like to keep Middleton too.

Rossi-Kaprizov
Boldy-Fiala

Should be the top 6 duo for atleast the next 4 years.

Yeah, would hurt losing Zucc because I like him a lot, but it really shouldn't be a tough decision. It's (maybe) 3-4 more years of Zuccarello vs. 6+ more years of Fiala.

 

[Qward]

How are you going to "lose Zucc" when he has a NMC?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How are you going to "lose Zucc" when he has a NMC?

July 1st 2022 it turns into a 10 team no trade list.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Anaheim 1st (after lottery) + what for fiala

 

[stempniaksen]

OTT 1st 2022 + some combination of Thomson/Bernard-Docker/Jarventie/Sokolov/Ostapchuk/Roger/Johansson/Gustavsson/Merilainen

Would assume the organization values the prospects I listed roughly in that order as well (who knows with goalies).

 

[57special]

OTT 1st 2022 + some combination of Thomson/Bernard-Docker/Jarventie/Sokolov/Ostapchuk/Roger/Johansson/Gustavsson/Merilainen

Would assume the organization values the prospects I listed roughly in that order as well (who knows with goalies).

Not an insulting offer. Looks like you are locked in at #7 oa this year. I know a lot of MN fans are hot for Pinto, but I'd just as soon take Greig. JBD is the best RHD defensively, more so than Thompson?

If i was Guerin i'd hold out for one of Pinto/Greig, then hope Nemec/Jiricek are available in the draft.

 

[RussosBurner]

I think at this point it's much more likely that the Wild find a way to re-sign Fiala and move other pieces to make it work with the cap. Dumba is probably gone. You just don't trade 25 year old superstars unless its absolutely unavoidable, which is not the case here.

 

[57special]

I think at this point it's much more likely that the Wild find a way to re-sign Fiala and move other pieces to make it work with the cap. Dumba is probably gone. You just don't trade 25 year old superstars unless its absolutely unavoidable, which is not the case here.

Who knows, with guerin? Your namesake stated that it was unlikely that Guerin would re-sign Goligoski for another year a few days before he re-signed him to a two year deal.

Guerin is obsessed with "his guys", and the "dressing room", and "physicality".

I hope he doesn't f*** this up.

 

[RussosBurner]

Who knows, with guerin? Your namesake stated that it was unlikely that Guerin would re-sign Goligoski for another year a few days before he re-signed him to a two year deal.

Guerin is obsessed with "his guys", and the "dressing room", and "physicality".

I hope he doesn't f*** this up.

True. He could decide he doesn't want to subtract any more from the defense corps and decide that trading Fiala for a haul of picks/prospects would be better. I would disagree but I accept that that scenario is possible. I just think the way Fiala has matured this year and the chemistry he has with Boldy will make Guerin see the light and commit to him long term. If he was even a couple years older I'd say move him, but I think even BG probably realized how vital Fiala has become to the team overall. Getting rid of Fiala would be risky because of the way he and Boldy compliment the top line so well, teams can't stop the Wild by focusing on Kaprizov alone. In a league that's favoring scoring and production more and more I think the Wild know they can't lose Fiala unless it's for an absolutely absurd overpayment by some team. If I was a betting man I would put my money on 22 being in Minnesota next year.

 

[guyzeur]

Who knows, with guerin? Your namesake stated that it was unlikely that Guerin would re-sign Goligoski for another year a few days before he re-signed him to a two year deal.

Guerin is obsessed with "his guys", and the "dressing room", and "physicality".

I hope he doesn't f*** this up.

What if we include our coach - DK Smith for your coach in the trade for Fiala? I'm sure Guerin would love Smith

 

[57special]

True. He could decide he doesn't want to subtract any more from the defense corps and decide that trading Fiala for a haul of picks/prospects would be better. I would disagree but I accept that that scenario is possible. I just think the way Fiala has matured this year and the chemistry he has with Boldy will make Guerin see the light and commit to him long term. If he was even a couple years older I'd say move him, but I think even BG probably realized how vital Fiala has become to the team overall. Getting rid of Fiala would be risky because of the way he and Boldy compliment the top line so well, teams can't stop the Wild by focusing on Kaprizov alone. In a league that's favoring scoring and production more and more I think the Wild know they can't lose Fiala unless it's for an absolutely absurd overpayment by some team. If I was a betting man I would put my money on 22 being in Minnesota next year.

I hope you are right. Even if Fiala gets max term he will still be younger than Zuccarello is now at the end of it. I can easily see Boldy getting better next year- he' still a pup - the havoc those two will create will be a sight to see.
Dumba is a good player, but never realized the elite offensive potential he flashed pre - injury. I don't want to lose him, but you don't trade away one of the top 3 offensive forwards this team has ever had(Kaprizov, Gaborik)for a #3 dman because he is "good in the room".
In other words, Dumba is good, but Fiala is much better, and younger. Pay one, move the other.

 

[57special]

What if we include our coach - DK Smith for your coach in the trade for Fiala? I'm sure Guerin would love Smith

Only if he is "good in the room", and "physical".

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Who knows, with guerin? Your namesake stated that it was unlikely that Guerin would re-sign Goligoski for another year a few days before he re-signed him to a two year deal.

Guerin is obsessed with "his guys", and the "dressing room", and "physicality".

I hope he doesn't f*** this up.

I mentioned on the Detroit forum that I would only trade Bertuzzi in a hockey trade. Fiala for Bertuzzi might be a good one, especially if Guerin is obsessed with the locker room stuff and physicality. I think a trade could be made straight up, or a slight add from Detroit.

Bertuzzi has 1 more year at 4.75 mil which is cheaper than Fiala's current deal. Plus Fiala is probably looking at an 8+ million deal this offseason, so this is a big savings to Minnesota. Detroit gets the better player but Minnesota gets a scoring forward with term and plays more to the style Guerin wants.

 

[stempniaksen]

Not an insulting offer. Looks like you are locked in at #7 oa this year. I know a lot of MN fans are hot for Pinto, but I'd just as soon take Greig. JBD is the best RHD defensively, more so than Thompson?

If i was Guerin i'd hold out for one of Pinto/Greig, then hope Nemec/Jiricek are available in the draft.

I'd hope Greig would be off the table, but I absolutely understand holding out hope for him. Personally I think the organization would have a hard time moving #7 overall and a guy of Grieg or Pinto's ilk together, but Dorion has done stranger things in the past.

You'll probably find a split among Sens fans in regards to JBD/Thomson. JBD seems safer while Thomson may ultimately have the slightly higher upside based on his size and shot. I'd call them both "defence first" players at the NHL level though.

 

[57special]

I mentioned on the Detroit forum that I would only trade Bertuzzi in a hockey trade. Fiala for Bertuzzi might be a good one, especially if Guerin is obsessed with the locker room stuff and physicality. I think a trade could be made straight up, or a slight add from Detroit.

Bertuzzi has 1 more year at 4.75 mil which is cheaper than Fiala's current deal. Plus Fiala is probably looking at an 8+ million deal this offseason, so this is a big savings to Minnesota. Detroit gets the better player but Minnesota gets a scoring forward with term and plays more to the style Guerin wants.

I understand your thinking, but it doesn't work for MN cap wise. Their cap penalties actually get worse in 23-24 and 24-25, making it impossible to keep Bertuzzi after next year.

Bertuzzi is also two years older, and less talented than Fiala. I don't see where this deal has any appeal at all for MN.

 

[57special]

I'd hope Greig would be off the table, but I absolutely understand holding out hope for him. Personally I think the organization would have a hard time moving #7 overall and a guy of Grieg or Pinto's ilk together, but Dorion has done stranger things in the past.

You'll probably find a split among Sens fans in regards to JBD/Thomson. JBD seems safer while Thomson may ultimately have the slightly higher upside based on his size and shot. I'd call them both "defence first" players at the NHL level though.

Frankly, if it doesn't hurt, then it's not a fair deal. I have no doubts that fiala is worth a #7 and Grieg, if not more, just not sure on OTT's willingness to spend money on a long term contract.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I understand your thinking, but it doesn't work for MN cap wise. Their cap penalties actually get worse in 23-24 and 24-25, making it impossible to keep Bertuzzi after next year.

Bertuzzi is also two years older, and less talented than Fiala. I don't see where this deal has any appeal at all for MN.

Cheaper + more physical play style. And if you can't sign him in 2023 then trade him to someone at the TDL? He's less talented yet still has 60 points in 67 games for a terrible Detroit team. I'd argue that Fiala isn't hitting 80 points in Detroit and that his production would be closer to 70ish points. And you could bank on Bertuzzi scoring more in Minnesota with better talent around him.