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Speculation: Keeping Ck

Do you want to keep Chris Kreider?

  • Yes, hes my captain

    Votes: 25 11.0%

  • Yes, if we can afford him

    Votes: 93 41.0%

  • No, he will bail as a UFA

    Votes: 32 14.1%

  • No, hes replacable

    Votes: 77 33.9%
  • Total voters
    227
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Keep him. If he gels well with the new players and has a reduced role (he won’t be the top LWinger opposing teams will assign the best defensive defensemen on) AND.. we are playing well and in the playoffs...

Why give up a first + prospect for a Kreider type player for a playoff run if we are playing amazing? Just keep him and let him walk.

If we’re not in the playoff picture then trade him at or near the deadline. Most likely we would get a first + decent prospect or a very good prospect + 2nd & 3rd

Panarin and Kreider 1+2 on the LW is fantastic.

If we remove Staal, Namestinkov, Shattenkirk and Smith we could really add more pieces (via free agency or promote within) to the team and make a serious run at the playoffs.

Anyway my vision has always been when nearly 30 million come off the books in 2 years we get aggressive and our window truly opens at a cup. Younger players will be ready and have the cap space to add.
 
I just see Kreider's performance dropping off in 3 or 4 years. If he's willing to take a 5 year deal I'd consider it but a 7 year deal isn't worth it in my opinion. We have so many high end wingers already and it won't make sense to be using that much of our cap space on wingers in a few years.
 
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All the concerns about Kreider other than his lesser production, should apply to Panarin too. Kreider is 6 months older.
 
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All the concerns about Kreider other than his lesser production, should apply to Panarin too. Kreider is 6 months older.
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Except one is a legit star player and one isnt..

Giving Kreider over 6.5M would be a disaster and handcuff the team in the future. Get him off the team.
 
I'm in the "keep him" camp. The organization is predominantly players who are 25-years old and younger now. I think Kreider's skill-set blends well with what they have, and I don't think Kreider will age as bad as people think. Teams that win have players like him up front.
 
I'm in the keep him non extended camp. If this season goes playoffs may as well self rent or extend. If it goes non playoffs, sell when they can actually get back some value beyond trading because they have to.
 
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I got a "Kreider is as good as gone" vibe from Gorton during the Panarin presser. When asked, Gorton became subdued and simply said there have been a couple conversations with Kreider's agent. This is an assistant captain and fan favorite being discussed, and Gorton sounded like he was talking about a fleeting acquaintance.
 
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I'm in the keep him non extended camp. If this season goes playoffs may as well self rent or extend. If it goes non playoffs, sell when they can actually get back some value beyond trading because they have to.
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So let him walk for nothing at the end? Playoffs or not, you ditch him before he walks for nothing. We are not giving him a 6.5M contract and he knows if he goes to the UFA markert hes easily getting at least 7. If he put up 30 goals and 30 assists this season the numbers starts going to 7.5M

Bye Chris.
 
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All the concerns about Kreider other than his lesser production, should apply to Panarin too. Kreider is 6 months older.
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Let’s say they do, you’re still looking at 67 percent more production. That’s a hell of a cushion to have in case of decline.

Let’s even assume that Panarin sees a 30 percent drop over the next 5 years. We’re talking about scenario where Panarin’s new low would still be higher than Kreider’s career high - by a fair margin too.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
So let him walk for nothing at the end? Playoffs or not, you ditch him before he walks for nothing. We are not giving him a 6.5M contract and he knows if he goes to the UFA markert hes easily getting at least 7. If he put up 30 goals and 30 assists this season the numbers starts going to 7.5M

Bye Chris.
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I think you attach an asset or two to Smith before you trade Kreider for futures. That doesn't help this season and put the team another step back. A buy out to fit Kreider in on top of what Gorton has built here is the better option now that they added Panarin and Trouba.

If they let him walk, the playoffs are not a guarantee, and they are now closer to the bubble than nabbing an elite talent near the top of another draft. Not sure why you're so adamant about moving him. His raise costs $2-3 million essentially. Dump Namestnikov somewhere like Vesey. They buy out Staal, they have the money. They attach a third-round pick/prospect to Smith to take back a LTIR option (Gaborik), they have the money.

The priority at this point should be to move the dead weight. It is addition by subtraction. Kreider is not addition by subtraction, the total opposite.
 
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Let’s say they do, you’re still looking at 67 percent more production. That’s a hell of a cushion to have in case of decline.

Let’s even assume that Panarin sees a 30 percent drop over the next 5 years. We’re talking about scenario where Panarin’s new low would still be higher than Kreider’s career high - by a fair margin too.
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I'm not sure where the counter point is there, I said other than production the same concerns should be applied.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
So let him walk for nothing at the end? Playoffs or not, you ditch him before he walks for nothing. We are not giving him a 6.5M contract and he knows if he goes to the UFA markert hes easily getting at least 7. If he put up 30 goals and 30 assists this season the numbers starts going to 7.5M

Bye Chris.
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Rangers have rented/self rented when they think they are going to make the playoffs.

They have, at least recently, sold when they do not.

Rangers have, to my knowledge/memory/recently, never sold a one year left term player in the summer for what others have returned at a deadline.
 
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Fine take production out. Panarin doesn’t have the consistency or injury concerns thus far either.
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I think we/I could say that about some of the other players before they signed or traded for them.
 
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Rangers have rented/self rented when they think they are going to make the playoffs.

They have, at least recently, sold when they do not.

Rangers have, to my knowledge/memory/recently, never sold a one year left term player in the summer for what others have returned at a deadline.
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I don't think they're going to "self rent" anyone like Kreider. They'll ride out Strome and others, but unless they're extending Kreider, hes gone.

I also think they last thing they want is another mopearello situation.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I don't think they're going to "self rent" anyone like Kreider. They'll ride out Strome and others, but unless they're extending Kreider, hes gone.

I also think they last thing they want is another mopearello situation.
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I tend to agree they will move Kreider, I disagree they will get back, without the spin, what they did for Hayes (time of trade, not what that turned into, unless they wait until the deadline or he extends upon trade)
 
Kreider is a great blend of size, speed, grit, and front of net presence. He has already shown he is a premier front of net player, so when he begins to lose a step he will still be a valuable player. From the outside, he seems well liked and a veteran presence in the locker room. You need to extend him as long as the length and term is reasonable. I wouldn't go 7 years, and I wouldn't go 7M AAV. He hasn't been as productive statistically as Anders Lee who just got that and he was on the open market. Offer Kreider a 6 year extension at 6-6.5 per with a limited NTC. His and Panarin's contracts will expire at the same time. Figure out the rest later. If that contract isn't enough, then I'll agree with the trade Kreider sentiment even if it means taking a less than stellar return. Taking the hit now is better than overpaying a 2nd line player long term.
 
Kreider is gone. Either now or before the deadline. They aren't extending him and they aren't going to lose him for nothing.
 
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My vote would be "no, we can't afford him" which isn't an option. With Panarin signed, any contract we give him will completely bone us when it comes time to extend future RFAs named, Kravtsov, Kakko, and Shesterkin (that Americanized spelling still weirds me out!) Those three contracts will also influence how players like Fox, Miller, etc and signed/resigned so unfortunately Kreider is looking like a cap casualty to me. Would love to keep his gritty play and 30 goals. Whether now or TDL, Gorton just needs to get Max value for him.
 
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Let krieder go. I'm not paying a guy 7aav for 7 years when he is mostly invisible during a game and is very streaky. I like him but no way is he worth that money in his mid 30s. Get picks and prospects for him. We aren't a playoff team even with panarin. Your relying upon kratsov and kakko to get more than 100 points that hayes and zuccarello got per season. Not happening. Our left side of our defense is a tire fire. We are a lottery team for another year. We need the cap to sign our rfas and just because we are getting nearly 30m off the cap with Staal, Smith, shatty, and the king doesn't mean we will have all that cap after resigning our own young players. Plus I would prefer to be able to make a trade to get another top center with our prospects when other teams cant afford to keep that player, when we have the extra cap space. Signing krieder to that deal would be a disaster in several ways
 
The Crypto Guy said:
So let him walk for nothing at the end? Playoffs or not, you ditch him before he walks for nothing. We are not giving him a 6.5M contract and he knows if he goes to the UFA markert hes easily getting at least 7. If he put up 30 goals and 30 assists this season the numbers starts going to 7.5M

Bye Chris.
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Seems like he wasnt a favorite of yours lol
 
I’d love to keep him we have far more expendable guys on this roster than Kreider. Especially if it’s 6.5 mil a year. Namestnikov makes 4 mil and is garbage.

However you listen to Gorton anytime someone brings up Kreider and he instantly goes cold. He wants to move him. It’s clear.
 
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We will be f***ing ourselves down the line if we pay Kreider long-term. Not a question of if, but when.

During the next 7 years we will have to pay many of these young guys if they become legit. Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko, Miller, etc. So the question really is, would you rather risk losing one of these guys in favor of keeping Kreider and Panarin.

We are wing heavy already. Investing in Panarin, was, in my opinion, a dumb move that put the cart before the horse. It would be doubly as dumb to invest another 6-7 mil long-term in an area of strength.

If we do this, we'll end up like Toronto, with enormous holes elsewhere (likely center or LHD).
 
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