Keep/Fire Drury and/or Laviolette

How do you want to handle Chris Drury and Peter Laviolette?


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I’m not sure about that, Leon Rose was an outside the box hiring running the Knicks and that was worked out for Dolan. He might be willing to try the same. Question is, what bigtinr hockey agent has the chops to be an hockey exec lol.

Allan Walsh so he can have a meltdown every 5 hours
 
Pat Brisson. We traded for his son a month ago. In all seriousness, I hope you are right about the organization making a smart hire in the front office. Ive defended Drury but Im looking for a new direction with the team. Whatever we've been doing isnt working. We cant replicate the Lundqvist years without a team willing to sacrifice in front of the goalie.
We also shouldn't have any interest at all in replicating the Lundqvist years.
 
Drury is good at diagnosing problems but bad at identifying solutions. He can go too.

He hasn't really had the opportunity to have a full deck of cards though. He's been put in a position to fight with one arm tied behind his back constantly. Little cap space. Lots of big contracts. Players refusing to waive their NTC's etc.

I'd like to see him with an actual normal off-season before I jettison him. I like his choices on some of the assistant coaches (Peca, Muse) and I like the type of development some of the younger players in Hartford have taken.

That's not to say he's perfect but he wasn't really able to use UFA last year practically at all, with the exception of Carrick who has been a good signing. I like the addition of Borgen. I like seeing Edstrom and Rempe play actual NHL minutes and carve out roles for themselves. Cuylle. Othmann. Berard. Perrault. I'm hopeful for guys like Laba, Chmelar, Roobreck and Sykora.

I also don't completely hate the JT Miller trade. Chytil was a walking time bomb and having that level of dead cap due to the LTIR is not ideal for any team. Mancini to me is a bit overrated and I like the return of a guy like Dorrington who fits a need in the organization.

I don't love the Soucy trade but that picture isn't completely painted yet. Let's see what comes to fruition in the off-season.
 
Pat Brisson. We traded for his son a month ago. In all seriousness, I hope you are right about the organization making a smart hire in the front office. Ive defended Drury but Im looking for a new direction with the team. Whatever we've been doing isnt working. We cant replicate the Lundqvist years without a team willing to sacrifice in front of the goalie.
Honestly, I don’t trust Dolan to make the right hire lol, I’m just hoping he realizes that hiring someone with ties to the Rangers isn’t a good idea anymore. I don’t want to replicate the Lundqvist era, I want a well-balanced team that can win any way needed. Teams that an overly reliant on good goaltending almost never win imo. It was a problem with Lundqvist and it’s been an issue with Shesterkin so far.
 
Im not saying they should but thats pretty clearly what the strategy has been. Just with a better powerplay
There's still time to throw that particular baby out with the bathwater. They'll have to live with Shesterkin's contract, unfortunately, but Tampa and Florida also were able to live with paying a goalie a lot.

This bum ain't Lundqvist and we don't have the star power to maintain the powerplay. It dried up this year and frankly, we saw it dry up eventually each playoff run as teams adjusted to it. It's not gonna be a winning strategy. It wasn't a winning strategy with the genuine article in the goal and I would argue a much more fitting supporting cast.

It's time to build around a forward like every successful franchise this century and most of last century.
 
the whole “Drury hasn’t had enough time to fix this squad” narrative is infuriating.

He’s been leading things for 4 years. At what point are we going to stop giving excuses and just realize, maybe he’s not a good GM. It’s his job to deal with all these details, he sucks at it because he sucks, not because he hasn’t been given enough time.

It's time to build around a forward like every successful franchise this century and most of last century.

Agreed, just don’t know how they’re getting that player without being legitimate ass for years
 
It's time to build around a forward like every successful franchise this century and most of last century.
Not just a forward. A center.

We need a legit young center to build around.

That means going back to draft. That means dealing with being trash intentionally, rather than incompetently like this current team.
 
Agreed, just don’t know how they’re getting that player without being legitimate ass for years

That was the problem with the latest “re-build”. Instead of doing that, they predictably took the shortcut route and here we are lol. In a hard cap league like the NHL, it’s paramount to draft and develop great talent since most of them never are available. The Rangers strategy would’ve worked in the NBA because elite talent are available in their prime in FA. That’s just not the case in the NHL unfortunately for them.
 
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Agreed, just don’t know how they’re getting that player without being legitimate ass for years
Kucherov was a 2nd round pick. Point was a 3rd round pick. Kaprisov was a 5th round pick. Marchand was a 3rd round pick. Bergeron was a 2nd. Rob Thomas was 20th OA and Kyrou was a 2nd rounder.

I could go on all day. Get people in here that can do their jobs.
 
the whole “Drury hasn’t had enough time to fix this squad” narrative is infuriating.

He’s been leading things for 4 years. At what point are we going to stop giving excuses and just realize, maybe he’s not a good GM. It’s his job to deal with all these details, he sucks at it because he sucks, not because he hasn’t been given enough time.



Agreed, just don’t know how they’re getting that player without being legitimate ass for years

The guy inherited a team that was overachieving and won the President's trophy just last year. Name me a GM that would be able to tear down a veteran-laden team that was performing like that? He tried to make some decently major changes this past off-season but Trouba f***ed it up. He had no cap space...
 
Kucherov was a 2nd round pick. Point was a 3rd round pick. Kaprisov was a 5th round pick. Marchand was a 3rd round pick. Bergeron was a 2nd. Rob Thomas was 20th OA and Kyrou was a 2nd rounder.

I could go on all day. Get people in here that can do their jobs.

Build next years team around Gabe Perreault to start. Whose to say he cant be that type of player? Would be foolish not to put him in a position to realize it.
 
the whole “Drury hasn’t had enough time to fix this squad” narrative is infuriating.

He’s been leading things for 4 years. At what point are we going to stop giving excuses and just realize, maybe he’s not a good GM. It’s his job to deal with all these details, he sucks at it because he sucks, not because he hasn’t been given enough time.



Agreed, just don’t know how they’re getting that player without being legitimate ass for years

He's not a good GM. And the moves he's made to "fix the squad" have not helped. Parssinen is a zero. Urho is a zero. Borgen is okay, but I'd much rather have Kakko. And all his rentals and acquisitions over the years have amounted to a hill of beans. Even Trocheck is having an abysmal season.


Drury is a joke.
 
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The guy inherited a team that was overachieving and won the President's trophy just last year. Name me a GM that would be able to tear down a veteran-laden team that was performing like that? He tried to make some decently major changes this past off-season but Trouba f***ed it up. He had no cap space...
I will agree that no GM in the world is tearing down a team that won the number of games they won. That's the price you pay for overachieving.

He should see it by now and the Miller trade tells me he doesn't. That was a now move.
Build next years team around Gabe Perreault to start. Whose to say he cant be that type of player? Would be foolish not to put him in a position to realize it.
I agree, they should cement him to the top six. If he sucks, he sucks. The Devils just let Hughes suck for a year and a half.
 
He's not a good GM. And the moves he's made to "fix the squad" have not helped. Parssinen is a zero. Urho is a zero. Borgen is okay, but I'd much rather have Kakko. And all his rentals and acquisitions over the years have amounted to a hill of beans. Even Trocheck is having an abysmal season.


Drury is a joke.

You would prefer Kakko, on his next contract which will likely be in the $5-5.5m range at a minimum to get him locked him at a decent term to Borgen on his deal? I'm not sure I do.

Vaak has been fine. He's a 6/7 d-man making peanuts. It's not like Drury had his pick of the litter when trading Trouba and he got a useful player with a near minimum contract
 
You would prefer Kakko, on his next contract which will likely be in the $5-5.5m range at a minimum to get him locked him at a decent term to Borgen on his deal? I'm not sure I do.

Vaak has been fine. He's a 6/7 d-man making peanuts. It's not like Drury had his pick of the litter when trading Trouba and he got a useful player with a near minimum contract

Absolutely. Absolutely I would. Kakko, who is younger and is finally producing? Absolutely I would take Kakko over Borgen AINEC. Would I take him on this team, though? No because we ruin players and prospects and we can't develop anyone. It's part of the culture problem and Drury is a big part of that.

Vaak has been healthy scratched. He's a 6/7 defenseman. He's a dime-a-dozen. And Trouba could've netted something decent from Detroit if Drury didn't leak to Uncle Larry.


And how is Brisson doing, BTW? You're defending the indefensible.
 
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Absolutely. Absolutely I would. Kakko, who is younger and is finally producing? Absolutely I would take Kakko over Borgen AINEC. Would I take him on this team, though? No because we ruin players and prospects and we can't develop anyone. It's part of the culture problem and Drury is a big part of that.

Vaak has been healthy scratched. He's a 6/7 defenseman. He's a dime-a-dozen. And Trouba could've netted something decent from Detroit if Drury didn't leak to Uncle Larry.


And how is Brisson doing, BTW? You're defending the indefensible.

Kakko is the same player he was with the Rangers but he's just getting more minutes. He's a 2nd or 3rd line forward who is about to get PAID just due to contract status.
 
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Here's the thing with Drury:

If you look at the micro, Drury is a failure.

If you look at the macro, Drury is a failure.

If you look at the moves he made, Drury is a failure.

If you look at the moves he didn't make (for example, not trading Kreider and Zibanejad when they had value; not firing Laviolette when we were still in the playoff race, not trading K'Andre and now facing his RFA), Drury is a failure.
 
Kakko is the same player he was with the Rangers but he's just getting more minutes. He's a 2nd or 3rd line forward who is about to get PAID just due to contract status.

Lol, what? Kakko played on the first line for this team last season and this season. He's not just producing because he's getting more minutes. He's producing in Seattle because he's away from the toxic environment that is the New York Rangers.

We've seen this story many times.
 
Lol, what? Kakko played on the first line for this team last season and this season. He's not just producing because he's getting more minutes. He's producing in Seattle because he's away from the toxic environment that is the New York Rangers.

We've seen this story many times.

Go look deeper at his stats an realize he is not scoring MORE than before. He's pretty much in line with his past performance outside of earlier this season. He's a 2nd/3rd line winger. I'm not saying he's not a NHLer, but the production he achieves is in liner with that level of player and he is about to determine what he gets paid. He could take a 1 year deal and walk to UFA so the team is going to have to pay him in order to keep him.

I'm sorry, you think Kakko was a 1st line player in NY? What?
 
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Lol, what? Kakko played on the first line for this team last season and this season. He's not just producing because he's getting more minutes. He's producing in Seattle because he's away from the toxic environment that is the New York Rangers.

We've seen this story many times.
Kakko hasn't been any better for Seattle this year than he was for the Rangers in 23-24. He has 4 goals in his last 20 games. He's still Kaapo Kakko.

There are built-in problems here, not disagreeing with that, but the biggest one continues to be that the players they have and had recently just aren't very good players.
 
Go look deeper at his stats an realize he is not scoring MORE than before. He's pretty much in line with his past performance outside of earlier this season. He's a 2nd/3rd line winger. I'm not saying he's not a NHLer, but the production he achieves is in liner with that level of player and he is about to determine what he gets paid. He could take a 1 year deal and walk to UFA so the team is going to have to pay him in order to keep him.

I'm sorry, you think Kakko was a 1st line player in NY? What?

29 points in 45 games is in line with a 2nd liner.

And no, I never said Kakko was a first line player. I said he PLAYED on the first line, which he did. He was given ample opportunity to be the 1RW with Kreider and Zibanjead, but it turned out to be a failure. Now, he's producing at a steadier rate than he ever did in New York. I would absolutely take a guy like Kakko over Borgen, but not for this dysfunctional organization who likely would've f***ed up McDavid and Matthews.
 
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There are built-in problems here, not disagreeing with that, but the biggest one continues to be that the players they have and had recently just aren't very good players.

When was the last time you had 4 players taken in the top-10, including two in the top-2, completely bust? This is an organizational issue.
 
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