Keep/Fire Drury and/or Laviolette

[Bob Richards]

All of the analytics, even down to goal differential, say a bubble team is about what they should have been last year. They played the worst playoff team in 30 years in the first round and Kreider saved them from a reverse sweep in the second round.

A bubble team is exactly what they were in 2023. First round road team, first round exit. If not for an all-timer performance by Igor, they're out in the first round in 2022 also.

They're barely a playoff-quality team that regressed slightly with age.

In hindsight (and probably at the time too tbh) it is pretty funny that the Rangers perception as contenders was built upon beating the Penguins/Hurricanes 9th string goalies lol

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

In hindsight (and probably at the time too tbh) it is pretty funny that the Rangers perception as legit contenders was built upon beating the Penguins/Hurricanes 9th string goalies lol

Or the fact that they won the President's Trophy last year?

 

[Homelander]

Look at their drafting when Drury was AGM and then promoted, their drafts and player development has been awful.

2017: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil
2018: Vitaly Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundqvist, Olaf Lindbom
2019: Kappo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Karl Henriksson
2020: Alexei Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuylle

DRURY TIME
2021: Brennen Othmann
2022: Adam Sykora
2023: Gabe Perrault
2024: EJ Emery.... who by the way we took over Cole Hutson...

Combine this with the constant assets being moved to fill the hole on the top line with the asinine Buchnevich trade they effectively closed their window after what, 3 years? Look at all these wingers Drury acquired to try to get a wing next to Kreider and Zibanejad:

Tarasenko - 1st Rounder
Kane - 2nd Rounder / 4th Rounder
Vatrano - 4th Rounder
Reilly Smith - 2nd Rounder
Roslovic - 3rd Rounder




So in the macro, Drury sucks. In the micro, Drury sucks. However you want to slice it...DRURY f***ING SUCKS.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Look at their drafting when Drury was AGM and then promoted, their drafts and player development has been awful.

2017: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil
2018: Vitaly Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundqvist, Olaf Lindbom
2019: Kappo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Karl Henriksson
2020: Alexei Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuylle

DRURY TIME
2021: Brennen Othmann
2022: Adam Sykora
2023: Gabe Perrault
2024: EJ Emery.... who by the way we took over Cole Hutson...

Combine this with the constant assets being moved to fill the hole on the top line with the asinine Buchnevich trade they effectively closed their window after what, 3 years? Look at all these wingers Drury acquired to try to get a wing next to Kreider and Zibanejad:

Tarasenko - 1st Rounder
Kane - 2nd Rounder / 4th Rounder
Vatrano - 4th Rounder
Reilly Smith - 2nd Rounder
Roslovic - 3rd Rounder




So in the macro, Drury sucks. In the micro, Drury sucks. However you want to slice it...DRURY f***ING SUCKS.

They could have just stopped at Vetrano and might have been ok.

 

[toNYRico]

Who is replacing Drury as GM? Bergevin? I would poach from Dallas or Tampa Bay. Mathieu Darche, Jamie Pushor, and Rich Peverley are at the top of my list.

 

[Homelander]

They could have just stopped at Vetrano and might have been ok.

We didn't re-sign any of his rentals. Not one: Copp, Vatrano, Braun, Kane, Tarasenko...no one! Pure rentals using future assets and it ended up not working out well.

So Drury went all in, failed because we didn't make the SCF, and we're worse off because of it.

 

[Bob Richards]

Or the fact that they won the President's Trophy last year?

It’s cool but doesn’t sway me in itself.

This era of Rangers being a two trick pony has always kept a huge sobriety check on my expectations.

 

[Homelander]

To be honest, I think those deals were more to move "disgruntled" players rather than "fix the squad". Look how fast KK was gone after he spoke to the press.

But that's not how you build a team. You don't build a sustainable team with the mindset of "addition by subtraction".

 

[majordomo]

But that's not how you build a team. You don't build a sustainable team with the mindset of "addition by subtraction".

I agree....but I do believe he made it his first priority to move the people who had shown and/or said they were unhappy here or didn't want to be here.

 

[Mike in Houston]

 

[Homelander]

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Please tell me that's from a reputable source

 

[Mike in Houston]

Please tell me that's from a reputable source

No. It's from the annual shit on Kreider piece from Larry. I modified it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

My vote is fire them both, hire a club President (Messier?) and let that person hire a new coach and GM.

That's where I'm at, I'd also accept Graves or Lundqvist as president

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Do whatever it takes to get rid of Zib this summer. He needs to be gone. Kreider too.

Also see if you can get something for Trochek

Might as well let Panarin run out his deal though, he’s not the main problem.

 

[Ruggs225]

Do whatever it takes to get rid of Zib this summer. He needs to be gone. Kreider too.

Also see if you can get something for Trochek

Might as well let Panarin run out his deal though, he’s not the main problem.

Kreider is the piece that needs to be moved first. Not only is he basically useless outside of the PKand PP, but i think he soaks up to much oxygen in the locker room.

Zib i would love to move, but honestly i dint think it will be easy. Might be stuck with him for another year or two.

Panarin there are two options. 1- try the re-tool and see how it goes. If out of playoff position sell at deadline. 2- be the main point of re-tool/re-build and sell immediately at 50% for max reward.


k Miller- sell fast for good assets. Dude does not have a hockey brain, but his athleticism still will get a really good return.


Wildcard- if we are going for full rebuild i trade fox as well. Trade him to Buffalo for powers and their first or something. Try to get a monster haul for him. He wont be on the timeline of the youth and im not convinced he is going to age gracefully.


Trocheck and JT i keep no matter what this year. Let them lead the team, and the youth.

Laf i keep unless insane return. Schneider, cuylee rest of youth i keep. Jones i would like to keep as well.

Even if going for full rebuild i keep Shesty. We know he can’t singlehandedly pull the team over the hump. We can lose alot with or without him, and he will help take up cap space in case of rebuild wich might come in handy with how the cap is going to skyrocket.

 

[Homelander]

Who is replacing Drury as GM? Bergevin? I would poach from Dallas or Tampa Bay. Mathieu Darche, Jamie Pushor, and Rich Peverley are at the top of my list.

That I don't have a good answer for. I just know that Drury is incompetent.

 

[kovazub94]

Kucherov was a 2nd round pick. Point was a 3rd round pick. Kaprisov was a 5th round pick. Marchand was a 3rd round pick. Bergeron was a 2nd. Rob Thomas was 20th OA and Kyrou was a 2nd rounder.

I could go on all day. Get people in here that can do their jobs.

Get all of these name then divide them by number of teams and all years in scope. I don't need to tell you how these percentages work.

 

[Kupo]

Who is replacing Drury as GM? Bergevin? I would poach from Dallas or Tampa Bay. Mathieu Darche, Jamie Pushor, and Rich Peverley are at the top of my list.

I'd trust a blind rat over that incompetent assclown at this point.

 

[bobbop]

I have a concern that if Kreider is playing injured, he may be difficult to trade and impossible to buy out. Watch that one closely.

K’Andre is absolutely gone. He is the Rangers best chance to fleece another team. He has no trade protection so they can send him anywhere.

One of the first things on the Rangers shopping list has to be a LHD that can pair with Fox. Looking over the UFAs available, I think Orlov may be the best option relative to cost and contract exposure.

Mika? I don’t know. I would be curious to see what the market is but I don’t think there will be a robust market.

Lafreniere? Available. Again, what is the market and do the Rangers think 23-24 or 24-25 is the best version of the player moving forward. There would be a robust market for Alexi and it is worth exploring.

Resign Panarin. no questions.

Keep the 11-12-13 draft pick. Use it as a trade option or pick a favored player who drops in the draft.

And oh how I would love to sign Sam Bennett.

 

[Machinehead]

Get all of these name then divide them by number of teams and all years in scope. I don't need to tell you how these percentages work.

The draft started 50 years ago and we've never done it.

I don't need to tell you how those percentages work.

 

[romba]

So. I really am not in the mood for a rebuild and 2-4 years of suckitude. But I don't see what other options we have with:
1. CK cooked well done
2. Mika burnt overdone
3. Panarin due for a new contract after next season
4. Trochek taking a step back (I know he's been injured) and signed for 4 more years
5. Fox not looking like the generational player that he seemed to be in year 1 and 2 (though still very good)
6. Laf a high paid nothing burger
7. Igor can still be great sometimes, but that contract tho

We need numerous high high high can't miss draft picks (where have I heard that term before) for multiple years to dig our way out of this complete mess.

 

[eco's bones]

Not sure what's available but I'd be firing both. I wouldn't hire Quenneville for anything. Be careful of any retreads as far as head coach and definitely dump Housley.

 

[kovazub94]

The draft started 50 years ago and we've never done it.

I don't need to tell you how those percentages work.

Lundqvist

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Look at their drafting when Drury was AGM and then promoted, their drafts and player development has been awful.

2017: Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil
2018: Vitaly Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundqvist, Olaf Lindbom
2019: Kappo Kakko, Matthew Robertson, Karl Henriksson
2020: Alexei Lafreniere, Braden Schneider, Will Cuylle

DRURY TIME
2021: Brennen Othmann
2022: Adam Sykora
2023: Gabe Perrault
2024: EJ Emery.... who by the way we took over Cole Hutson...

Combine this with the constant assets being moved to fill the hole on the top line with the asinine Buchnevich trade they effectively closed their window after what, 3 years? Look at all these wingers Drury acquired to try to get a wing next to Kreider and Zibanejad:

Tarasenko - 1st Rounder
Kane - 2nd Rounder / 4th Rounder
Vatrano - 4th Rounder
Reilly Smith - 2nd Rounder
Roslovic - 3rd Rounder




So in the macro, Drury sucks. In the micro, Drury sucks. However you want to slice it...DRURY f***ING SUCKS.

Wasn’t Copp also a 1 round pick +?

 

[mike14]

Wasn’t Copp also a 1 round pick +?

Yes, one of the two 2nds we traded was a conditional if we won 2 playoff rounds and Copp played 50% of the games, so it became pick #30