GDT: Kazakhstan vs. Switzerland, Group B, Dec 31 2024; 12:00 EST

Czechboy

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I don't think you hear that often from swiss fans and an inferiority complex would be premature as the last WHC GMG showed lol ;-)
Nothing against you fine Swiss posters. I just keep hearing how the Germans and Swiss are taking us over. And I like both programs a lot. But I've argued, for awhile with Swiss posters, that Swiss is in trouble and is exactly where Czechs were in 2005. Great NHL talent. Great World's results but this gap between your NHL stars today and your next generation is concerning. I know from experience. In 2005 we were world beaters! Everything was good. Then we went 15 years of total shit. And the crazy thing is that the 1998 birthyear kind of started. So we won Nagano and that somehow became our downfall.

And I would've been happy for the Swiss to win the World's. Even against us. I'd also kill for a Josi.lol
 
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Not from Swiss posters though...
Yes I really doubt that anybody from Switzerland would argue that we are gaining ground on Czechia. If anything you guys are widening the gap. Maybe that was in regards to the senior team, that still feeds of the NHL talent.

I used to think that things will improve for us a bit starting with the 06 birth year. But now I am not so sure about that anymore...
 
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Nothing against you fine Swiss posters. I just keep hearing how the Germans and Swiss are taking us over. And I like both programs a lot. But I've argued, for awhile with Swiss posters, that Swiss is in trouble and is exactly where Czechs were in 2005. Great NHL talent. Great World's results but this gap between your NHL stars today and your next generation is concerning. I know from experience. In 2005 we were world beaters! Everything was good. Then we went 15 years of total shit. And the crazy thing is that the 1998 birthyear kind of started. So we won Nagano and that somehow became our downfall.

And I would've been happy for the Swiss to win the World's. Even against us. I'd also kill for a Josi.lol

Well, if we go in a downfall I would rather take a win at the olympics in 2026 than the WHC, one can dream :laugh:
 
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Ludvig Johnson is a joy to watch. By far the best defenseman of the team, probably the best player, too.

His NL play is impressive as well. If we look at recent months only he must be one of the most improved prospects worldwide. Outplayed drafted Muggli in Zug and it's not close. I know Muggli isn't trending very well but at this point I'm wondering if Johnson may sneak into the upcoming draft as an overager. If he can keep this up he has to be on some teams extended list at the very least.
 

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Ludvig Johnson is a joy to watch. By far the best defenseman of the team, probably the best player, too.

His NL play is impressive as well. If we look at recent months only he must be one of the most improved prospects worldwide. Outplayed drafted Muggli in Zug and it's not close. I know Muggli isn't trending very well but at this point I'm wondering if Johnson may sneak into the upcoming draft as an overager. If he can keep this up he has to be on some teams extended list at the very least.
Got walked on the 1:1 tho
 

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Yes I really doubt that anybody from Switzerland would argue that we are gaining ground on Czechia. If anything you guys are widening the gap. Maybe that was in regards to the senior team, that still feeds of the NHL talent.

I used to think that things will improve for us a bit starting with the 06 birth year. But now I am not so sure about that anymore...
I think you guys did pass us. You beat us a LOT at the Skoda's and your top NHLers were better (and are) better than our top NHLers.

You had an amazing boom and your highly drafted players made the NHL and have been impactful. Most ours busted out. Necas is the last full time guy we have turned out. 7 years ago. We dont have a Josi or anything close to a Josi. You have, what, 8 solid NHL forwards? We get thin quick after Pasta, Necas, Hertl.

I do think our future currently looks brighter but till those guys are in NHL jerseys playing 82 games... nothing is certain. Kulich seems to be next.

So it will go Necas... 7 years... Ivan Ivan.. Kulich. Ouch.

We do have a lot of pans in the fire though... but till I see NHL jerseys with Jiricek, Svozil, Sale, Jiricek, Sapo etc we are behind.

I honestly wasn't trying to knock swiss posters at all. I get it came across that way so I apologize to all of you.
 
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I think you guys did pass us. You beat us a LOT at the Skoda's and your top NHLers were better (and are) better than our top NHLers.

You had an amazing boom and your highly drafted players made the NHL and have been impactful. Most ours busted out. Necas is the last full time guy we have turned out. 7 years ago. We dont have a Josi or anything close to a Josi. You have, what, 8 solid NHL forwards? We get thin quick after Pasta, Necas, Hertl.

I do think our future currently looks brighter but till those guys are in NHL jerseys playing 82 games... nothing is certain. Kulich seems to be next.

So it will go Necas... 7 years... Ivan Ivan.. Kulich. Ouch.

We do have a lot of pans in the fire though... but till I see NHL jerseys with Jiricek, Svozil, Sale, Jiricek, Sapo etc we are behind.

I honestly wasn't trying to knock swiss posters at all. I get it came across that way so I apologize to all of you.

Don't need to apologize you said nothing wrong lol

It's obvious that Czechia is historically a power of hockey while our team is pretty much constantly a work in progress :laugh:

The fact that the gap get a bit narrowed those last years doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of thing, the only hope one can have is that our team keeps getting better but when it comes to the new generation it doesn't seems like it will go that way right now, but let's see and I hope that we get a shot for a revenge against you guys after that amazing GMG of last year
 
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Don't need to apologize you said nothing wrong lol

It's obvious that Czechia is historically a power of hockey while our team is pretty much constantly a work in progress :laugh:

The fact that the gap get a bit narrowed those last years doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of thing, the only hope one can have is that our team keeps getting better but when it comes to the new generation it doesn't seems like it will go that way right now, but let's see and I hope that we get a shot for a revenge against you guys after that amazing GMG of last year
That was a tremendous final. And Swedes/Canucks/US were all very strong rosters for Skoda standards. The next worlds I think will be much more Euro in content. 4 nations guys won't go. Guys guaranteed for 2026 Olympics may decline too. Just my hunch, but I expect a lot less NHLers on this one. Almost none on the Czechs. Dostal without a contract. Gudas will say no. Pasta/Zacha/Necas in playoffs and can easily say no. Hronek injured. Rutta is UFA.

our best case scenario is Vej/Mrazek splitting duties. Spacek, Jiricek and Svozil on blue line from AHL. Kulich. Then our Euros which I really like right now (and I haven't liked our Euros for a long time.lol)
 
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That was a tremendous final. And Swedes/Canucks/US were all very strong rosters for Skoda standards. The next worlds I think will be much more Euro in content. 4 nations guys won't go. Guys guaranteed for 2026 Olympics may decline too. Just my hunch, but I expect a lot less NHLers on this one. Almost none on the Czechs. Dostal without a contract. Gudas will say no. Pasta/Zacha/Necas in playoffs and can easily say no. Hronek injured. Rutta is UFA.

our best case scenario is Vej/Mrazek splitting duties. Spacek, Jiricek and Svozil on blue line from AHL. Kulich. Then our Euros which I really like right now (and I haven't liked our Euros for a long time.lol)
The strange thing is that I really think that more Euro content doesn't do us any good at all. We heavily rely on the firepower of our NHL guys so as weird as it sounds I think we would do better in a best on best, see how we did in the olympics without NHL everybody expected us to go on a deep run and failed miserably. Plus I would really like to see a swiss team with Josi, Hischier, Meier, Fiala, Suter, Bichsel, Siegenthaler, Moser etc. I think we could do some damage against everybody
 

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I think you guys did pass us. You beat us a LOT at the Skoda's and your top NHLers were better (and are) better than our top NHLers.

You had an amazing boom and your highly drafted players made the NHL and have been impactful. Most ours busted out. Necas is the last full time guy we have turned out. 7 years ago. We dont have a Josi or anything close to a Josi. You have, what, 8 solid NHL forwards? We get thin quick after Pasta, Necas, Hertl.

I do think our future currently looks brighter but till those guys are in NHL jerseys playing 82 games... nothing is certain. Kulich seems to be next.

So it will go Necas... 7 years... Ivan Ivan.. Kulich. Ouch.

We do have a lot of pans in the fire though... but till I see NHL jerseys with Jiricek, Svozil, Sale, Jiricek, Sapo etc we are behind.

I honestly wasn't trying to knock swiss posters at all. I get it came across that way so I apologize to all of you.

I think at the NHL level it's pretty close between the two, I'd give the slight to the Czechs due to a deeper lineup.

What's Czech Republic looking like today? Something like this?

Palat - Hertl - Pastrnak
Kulich - Zacha - Necas
Vrana - Chytil - Sale
Nosek - Kampf - Ivan
Faksa/Lauko

Gudas - Hronek
Svozil - D. Jiricek
Ludvig - Rutta
Sulak/Kral

Dostal
Mrazek
Vanecek

and the Swiss?

Fiala - Hischier - Niederreiter
Meier - Suter - Malgin
Andrighetto - Kurashev - Riat
Kunzle - Thurkauf - Bertschy
Martschini/Moy

Josi - Siegenthaler
Bichsel - Moser
Kukan - Loeffel
Geisser/Dionicio

Schmid
Charlin
Senn
 

Czechboy

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The strange thing is that I really think that more Euro content doesn't do us any good at all. We heavily rely on the firepower of our NHL guys so as weird as it sounds I think we would do better in a best on best, see how we did in the olympics without NHL everybody expected us to go on a deep run and failed miserably. Plus I would really like to see a swiss team with Josi, Hischier, Meier, Fiala, Suter, Bichsel, Siegenthaler, Moser etc. I think we could do some damage against everybody
It'd be a solid pain in the ass. And a lot of those forwards can snipe. Josi is a national treasure.
 

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