Proposal: Karlsson to Ottawa

[Djp]

Sharks aren’t retaining that much for that long for a bottom 6 prospect a first and a couple guys that wouldn’t even crack our roster. Try again.

what do you honestly expect to get in return for him?

 

[Gecklund]

what do you honestly expect to get in return for him?

Enough to make sense moving him. There’s no point in retaining that much on a player who has been a number 1 D for us.

 

[Djp]

Enough to make sense moving him. There’s no point in retaining that much on a player who has been a number 1 D for us.

Didn’t answer the question…

 

[Gecklund]

Didn’t answer the question…

But it does. Enough to move a 1D. I honestly wouldn’t move him for less than we paid because it doesn’t make sense for us considering then we’d have Burns and Merkley as the only 2 RD signed next season.

 

[SquidNasty]

I'm actually a huge fan of this concept. Ironically this makes a ton of sense for both teams.

 

[Djp]

But it does. Enough to move a 1D. I honestly wouldn’t move him for less than we paid because it doesn’t make sense for us considering then we’d have Burns and Merkley as the only 2 RD signed next season.

nobody will return what you paid. Enjoy him for the rest of his career.

 

[Gecklund]

nobody will return what you paid. Enjoy him for the rest of his career.

And as I’ve said multiple times that’s fine. Guy is still playing like a 1D despite the uneducated judgements.

 

[one2gamble]

The Sharks are in a tough spot, even getting an ok return on Karl wouldnt help them right now. They cant do anything with the cap space and they wont "rebuild" like they should so a move that makes them worse is a nonstarter.

Id flush everyone though

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Sharks aren’t retaining that much for that long for a bottom 6 prospect a first and a couple guys that wouldn’t even crack our roster. Try again.

Greig is the most underrated prospect in all of hockey. Coming from a team that had Norris, you should know a thing or two about underrated prospects.

Ridiculous.

 

[Gecklund]

Greig is the most underrated prospect in all of hockey. Coming from a team that had Norris, you should know a thing or two about underrated prospects.

Ridiculous.

even if he was as good as Norris I still wouldn’t move him for that.

 

[themelkman]

Greig is the most underrated prospect in all of hockey. Coming from a team that had Norris, you should know a thing or two about underrated prospects.

Ridiculous.

Forgive me if I dont trust Ottawas drafting team.

 

[Bizz]

You're not getting 1st round pick for Erik Karlsson. You'd have include an unprotected 2023 1st round pick with Karlsson just to trade him.

What a bad take.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Forgive me if I dont trust Ottawas drafting team.

?

We've been top 3 drafting team in last 20 years. 2021 was brutal(for now) but the exception, not the norm.

 

[Bizz]

what do you honestly expect to get in return for him?

at least 2 1sts and a high end prospect. add from there.

 

[Clamshells]

Forgive me if I dont trust Ottawas drafting team.

You can trust their amateur scouts, it's their pro scouting that's brain dead.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Sorry, Ottawa is giving up Ridley Greig PLUS a 1st for Karlsson? Ya out of your mind?

At some point you have to actually start putting together a winning team and not caring about futures as much.

we have been lotto bad for 5 years now. Karlsson is still a top pair d and it is a lot to ask for a team to retain and to take all your worst contracts.

The fair value deal likely has more going to San Jose than just Greig and 1st.

 

[McSuper]

Nobody is retaining 40% of an eight figure contract, that's nuts

The other option is they eat the whole amount . The Sharks signed it they have to live with or pay their way out . fans like to toss around the owners money like it is nothing but they never became billionaire's by wasting money . I could see an owner tell his GM to move the contract even if it only saves him 1/2 the money .

 

[Hale The Villain]

at least 2 1sts and a high end prospect. add from there.

No team is taking on Karlsson's deal without significant pluses attached to him.

Why? Because no team would willingly sign Karlsson to an 11.5M x 5YR deal when he's already on the decline in his early 30s.

The Sharks don't have to trade him but if they would prefer to dump his contract and allocate his money elsewhere, they certainly won't get positive value back.

 

[Gecklund]

The other option is they eat the whole amount . The Sharks signed it they have to live with or pay their way out . fans like to toss around the owners money like it is nothing but they never became billionaire's by wasting money . I could see an owner tell his GM to move the contract even if it only saves him 1/2 the money .

Close to 0 chance the one of the richest owners in the league tells whoever the new GM is to trade one of their best players and throw on a first or two for garbage.

 

[Gecklund]

No team is taking on Karlsson's deal without significant pluses attached to him.

Why? Because no team would willingly sign Karlsson to an 11.5M x 5YR deal when he's already on the decline in his early 30s.

The Sharks don't have to trade him but if they would prefer to dump his contract and allocate his money elsewhere, they certainly won't get positive value back.

Great they aren’t looking to trade him as has been said multiple times. If people are only going to offer shit there’s absolutely 0 reason to move him. He’s still a 1D for us.

 

[Hale The Villain]

At some point you have to actually start putting together a winning team and not caring about futures as much.

we have been lotto bad for 5 years now. Karlsson is still a top pair d and it is a lot to ask for a team to retain and to take all your worst contracts.

The fair value deal likely has more going to San Jose than just Greig and 1st.

If Karlsson gets traded to Ottawa it's going to be for cap dumps, with maybe a small plus attached. See the Phaneuf trade for the best comparable for structure and value.

Sens are probably the only team that would be interested in him and that's largely because they are a budget team that focuses on salary owed rather than cap hit.

Karlsson also has a full NMC and Ottawa is also one of the only destinations EK may waive for, having made the city a home for a decade. Sharks would have next to no leverage to demand major assets in return if they want to dump his contract.

 

[stempniaksen]

Great they aren’t looking to trade him as has been said multiple times. If people are only going to offer shit there’s absolutely 0 reason to move him. He’s still a 1D for us.

I respect the take, he's one of the guys I'd probably hold through a rebuild/tool as well. Or at least attempt to.

That being said, isn't it kind of presumptuous to know the plan before a new management group comes in? I understand Wilson would never make the move, I understand what ownership has said when DW had the reigns. But assuming whoever is coming in has full autonomy, they very may well find that a soft return on EK is more desirable than some of the other ways to open up flexibility.

It's obviously still a far fetched idea as far as Ottawa specifically, although they're probably one of the only teams willing to eat the full hit (assuming deeper pocketed owners) and might still be on Karlsson's shortlist of destinations that he can handpick.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Great they aren’t looking to trade him as has been said multiple times. If people are only going to offer shit there’s absolutely 0 reason to move him. He’s still a 1D for us.

That's likely the decision the Sharks will make, since they made a massive mistake choosing not to commit to a full rebuild and will likely wallow in mediocrity for the foreseeable future, not good enough to contend but not bad enough to finish at the bottom of the league.

In 4 years they will be paying a total of 42 million dollars to:

40YR old Burns
38YR old Vlasic
37YR old Couture
35YR old Karlsson
33YR old Hertl

That's insane.

If they were smart they'd be trying to offload those long-term contracts now while the players are still good.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

40% retained seems about fair since he's only about 40% of the player he was when he left ..

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Yeah I dunno about bringing Karlsson back. If the Sharks retain a bunch, i doubt the Sens like what they'd have to give up to get him. If they don't . . . that contract isn't worth taking on whatever dump assets San Jose is giving up.

Karlsson is still a good defenseman, but he is a far cry from the player he was when he was in Ottawa.