Proposal: Karlsson to Ottawa

[Agent Zuuuub]

Ottawa gets:

Karlsson 40 percent retained

San Jose gets

Ridley Greig, lotto protected 2023 first, Matt Murray (possible LTIR), Zaitsev

San Jose has to realize they can't do it with this core and needs to get picks, prospects and to tank for Michkov, Bedard.

Ottawa is done tanking and needs to spend futures to become a better team now.

Chabot-Zub
Holden-Karlsson
Sanderson- Hamonic

could be pretty good.

trying to be fair and sensible to both teams but curious where the value is tilting.

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[Hodge]

Another Sens fans proposed Murray, Zaitsev and MDZ for Karlsson no salary retained and I would be much more inclined to do that.

Karlsson has a $10 million signing bonus due this offseason after which he's only owed $41 million on the rest of the contract or $8.2 million a year in real dollars. Sharks could pay the bonus then trade him the next day.

Ottawa could also take their pick of Reimer/Hill/Kahkonen to pair with Forsberg.

 

[Gecklund]

Sharks aren’t retaining that much for that long for a bottom 6 prospect a first and a couple guys that wouldn’t even crack our roster. Try again.

 

[Groo]

I love for the Sharks to acquire Greig. With a wee bit of tinkering I'd do it

 

[BannedFromCDC]

You're not getting 1st round pick for Erik Karlsson. You'd have include an unprotected 2023 1st round pick with Karlsson just to trade him.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

You're not getting 1st round pick for Erik Karlsson. You'd have include an unprotected 2023 1st round pick with Karlsson just to trade him.

Don't think so. Just because someone is overpaid doesn't mean it requires payment to move him. That's what retention is for and this deal is absurd on that front. This deal has the Sharks send out 6.9 million and bring in 10.75 million for another small winger prospect with decent potential and a midround pick. We also retain 4.6 mil for five years. No, that's a terrible deal.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Another Sens fans proposed Murray, Zaitsev and MDZ for Karlsson no salary retained and I would be much more inclined to do that.

Karlsson has a $10 million signing bonus due this offseason after which he's only owed $41 million on the rest of the contract or $8.2 million a year in real dollars. Sharks could pay the bonus then trade him the next day.

Ottawa could also take their pick of Reimer/Hill/Kahkonen to pair with Forsberg.

Include White and Reimer in the deal and I'd definitely consider it as a Sens fan.

Sharks could either keep White or buy him out with minimal cap implications (5.25M spread over 6 years).

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Include White and Reimer in the deal and I'd definitely consider it as a Sens fan.

Sharks could either keep White or buy him out with minimal cap implications (5.25M spread over 6 years).

So Del Zotto, Murray, White, and Zaitsev for Karlsson and Reimer? Nah. I'm not a huge proponent of shuffling contracts around when the best player is still a great player and you're getting nothing for them.

 

[GAGLine]

Ottawa already got Karlsson's best years. No point in bringing him back.

 

[Hale The Villain]

So Del Zotto, Murray, White, and Zaitsev for Karlsson and Reimer? Nah. I'm not a huge proponent of shuffling contracts around when the best player is still a great player and you're getting nothing for them.

Within 2 years Karlsson's 11.5M contract will be effectively off the books completely, as all of the Sens players don't have contracts that extend beyond the 2023/24 season.

Not having to pay him 11.5M for the last 3 years of his deal when he'll be 35-37 has enormous value.

A smart GM would recognize the Sharks aren't going to be contending the next couple years, so it would be a huge win to dump Karlsson's contract and not take on any other bad long-term deal in the process.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Within 2 years Karlsson's 11.5M contract will be effectively off the books completely, as all of the Sens players don't have contracts that extend beyond the 2023/24 season.

Not having to pay him 11.5M for the last 3 years of his deal when he'll be 35-37 has enormous value.

A smart GM would recognize the Sharks aren't going to be contending the next couple years, so it would be a huge win to dump Karlsson's contract and not take on any other bad long-term deal in the process.

I honestly don't think that the not paying for it then has that much value. They probably won't be going anywhere during his tail end anyway. They simply don't have that kind of talent and likely won't have access to that kind of talent either. Karlsson will probably be better even now than most anything they will draft or use the cap space on.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Don't think so. Just because someone is overpaid doesn't mean it requires payment to move him. That's what retention is for and this deal is absurd on that front. This deal has the Sharks send out 6.9 million and bring in 10.75 million for another small winger prospect with decent potential and a midround pick. We also retain 4.6 mil for five years. No, that's a terrible deal.

fair but Ottawa is in a unique position of being able to trade a lot of picks and prospects. Something that San Jose needs to acquire.

1st + Grieg + Sokolov + 2nd etc. there has to be a deal where the return fits. Hasso seems rich enough that he can eat salary while the cap implications wont matter anyway until the next core starts emerging in 3-4 years.

 

[pucksakes666]

Another Sens fans proposed Murray, Zaitsev and MDZ for Karlsson no salary retained and I would be much more inclined to do that.

Karlsson has a $10 million signing bonus due this offseason after which he's only owed $41 million on the rest of the contract or $8.2 million a year in real dollars. Sharks could pay the bonus then trade him the next day.

Ottawa could also take their pick of Reimer/Hill/Kahkonen to pair with Forsberg.

Good thing you are not a GM.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Within 2 years Karlsson's 11.5M contract will be effectively off the books completely, as all of the Sens players don't have contracts that extend beyond the 2023/24 season.

Not having to pay him 11.5M for the last 3 years of his deal when he'll be 35-37 has enormous value.

A smart GM would recognize the Sharks aren't going to be contending the next couple years, so it would be a huge win to dump Karlsson's contract and not take on any other bad long-term deal in the process.

yeah but I would assume the 11.5m AAV/Cap Hit would really hurt Ottawa when they need it

 

[Hodge]

Good thing you are not a GM.

As a Leafs fan you should understand the value of cap space better than anybody.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

fair but Ottawa is in a unique position of being able to trade a lot of picks and prospects.

1st + Grieg + Sokolov etc. there has to be a deal where the return fits. Hasso seems rich enough that he can eat salary while the cap implications wont matter anyway until the next core starts emerging in 3-4 years.

Hasso doesn't seem interested in a rebuild. The Sharks seem like they're going to be retooling for a while so cap implications matter. They're not going to want to add 4.6 mil in dead money for the next five seasons unless they absolutely have to. The only way they would have to is if Karlsson only wants to go to Ottawa and they're not willing to say no.

I don't think there is a way to trade Karlsson for value so they need to let it play out. If he's happy playing and losing here until his last season when heavy retention is more viable then they need to eat it.

 

[SpezDispenser]

No chance I would include Grieg. And really, no interest in bringing him back at anything approaching his contract.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Pretty sure the Sens have moved on from Karlsson… Definitely have at the cost of futures.

They gladly thank San Jose for Stutzle and Norris and pass.

 

[stempniaksen]

Would love him back, I think he still fits on this team and the cap hit becomes a bit less of an issue if potential new ownership spends to the cap.

That being said, I'd only take him back if Ottawa can dump all the bad money on the roster (Murray/Zaitsev/White/MDZ) and doesn't give up anything of great value (Grieg would be too much).

I absolutely understand if that isn't palatable for Sharks fans, or for an owner who seems more interested in a re-tool than a rebuild. I'm not sure how many other teams could (potentially) take on the full hit though and the Sharks new management team will need to decide if they are willing to punt on the EK experiment for the sake of cap flexibility.

From a Sens perspective this would basically be a bigger version of the deal that brought Phaneuf to Ottawa. Sens bring in the more overpaid player on a longer term who can help now for a collection of expensive shorter term pieces who aren't getting the job done.

 

[themelkman]

At 40% retention no. Karlsson is pretty useful and is actually a good contract at the rate you would be getting him, so two big cap dumps makes this a no go.

 

[Hale The Villain]

As a Leafs fan you should understand the value of cap space better than anybody.

Especially considering the Sens/Leafs made a deal very similar to your proposal that involved dumping Phaneuf's bad long-term deal for bad short-term deals, and it worked out very well for Toronto and not terribly for the Sens either.

They took on bums like Michalek, Greening and Cowen but got rid of Phaneuf's 7M deal with 5 years left on it, without having to retain anything. Within 2 years all of the bums were off the books and they had 7M in cap space to improve their roster.

It's actually the best comparable out there as far as what a Karlsson return might look like from Ottawa.

 

[North Cole]

Nobody is retaining 40% of an eight figure contract, that's nuts

 

[2CHAINZ]

Would love to see Alfredsson join an ownership group and Karlsson come back.

 

[Sting]

Sorry, Ottawa is giving up Ridley Greig PLUS a 1st for Karlsson? Ya out of your mind?

 

[Dicdonya]

No.

Sharks are not getting better by trading Karlsson, so if our ownership wants to pretend we are one step away from winning, trading him does not make sense.

If they stop pretending we are close to competing, and start rebuilding, his contract means nothing because we do not need the cap space, and his contract goes a long way to reaching the floor.

Unless Karlsson forces his way off the team by demanding a trade and creating a PR nightmare, or some GM has a temporary moment of insanity and gives the Sharks actual value for Karlsson, he is staying/stuck in SJ.