Value of: Karl Alzner next contract

[DarthProbert]

He makes any team better. Any team with cap space will be making a legitimate offer. Up to him where he wants to play.

Now if Dallas could acquire Alzner and Bishop, look out.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I'd pay for the sure thing because no guarantee Bigras or Zadorov ever become what Alzner IS.

EJ, Barrie, Alzner for ~17-17.5mil combined eats up most of the defensive budget, you need depth too. So unless Bigras and Zads can be had cheaper we could be hurting our long term depth. That's all I meant by it.

Orpik got 5.5 if I am Alzner agent he doesn't sign for a dime less

Sekera got that much despite a better offensive game than Orpik. His contract is a bad barometer for Alzner, it was given in a year good for free agents in my opinion.

Certainly wouldn't be upset with 5.5mil for Alzner, he's a good player. But I did say "much further than that" because 5-5.25 seems the sweet spot with room for a bit more in a bidding war.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

Alzner is always solid and steady. I never worry when Alzner is on the ice , he's strong and not a penalty prone.


solid

Any team landing him would be lucky. I just don't know if the Caps will have the money for him. Love Opik but his contract is a becoming a problem.

(btw - I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Toronto - Babcock has said some complimentary things about him)

That was actually the first question that came to my mind when the Caps signed Orpik a couple year back. What is going to happen when Alzner's contract is up with Orpik on the books? I think, without knowing Alzner's mindset, he is going to be looking to get paid. He signed a bargain contract back then and may be looking for something more reflective if his on ice impact. 5 year @ $6M per

 

[WTFMAN99]

EJ, Barrie, Alzner for ~17-17.5mil combined eats up most of the defensive budget, you need depth too. So unless Bigras and Zads can be had cheaper we could be hurting our long term depth. That's all I meant by it.



Sekera got that much despite a better offensive game than Orpik. His contract is a bad barometer for Alzner, it was given in a year good for free agents in my opinion.

Certainly wouldn't be upset with 5.5mil for Alzner, he's a good player. But I did say "much further than that" because 5-5.25 seems the sweet spot with room for a bit more in a bidding war.

Zadorov and/or Bigras need to earn that money first. At the very worst case, you have to make some moves and everyone wants a top 4 defenseman, so it would be a great problem to run into.

 

[Suds]

Goofy conspiracy theory of the day -----

Babcock and Trotz get along well. Babcock took that **** contract for Liach.

Alzner to Toronto

 

[Carlzner]

Goofy conspiracy theory of the day -----

Babcock and Trotz get along well. Babcock took that **** contract for Liach.

Alzner to Toronto

I don't see how any of these things are connected.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

I know the Leafs have holes are their but to go chasing after UFAs isn't the best decision.

Next year.

LHD...Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Valiev and Dermot
RHD... Zaitsev, Carrick....then it's a reach
Just don't think Alzner is needed.

Leafs could probably trade some of their young ELC forwards to a team that will lose a good 4th Dman in the expansion draft.

 

[MikeModano9]

I know the Leafs have holes are their but to go chasing after UFAs isn't the best decision.

Next year.

LHD...Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Valiev and Dermot
RHD... Zaitsev, Carrick....then it's a reach
Just don't think Alzner is needed.

Leafs could probably trade some of their young ELC forwards to a team that will lose a good 4th Dman in the expansion draft.

Alzner is defensively better than any Dman on that list. And only Rielly holds more value. That'd be a massive upgrade for TO to get a guy like Alzner for free in FA.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I know the Leafs have holes are their but to go chasing after UFAs isn't the best decision.

Next year.

LHD...Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Valiev and Dermot
RHD... Zaitsev, Carrick....then it's a reach
Just don't think Alzner is needed.

Leafs could probably trade some of their young ELC forwards to a team that will lose a good 4th Dman in the expansion draft.

Besides Reilly and Gardiner Alzner is better than every one of those guys with the possible exception of Carrick we shall see about him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't see how any of these things are connected.

I don't either.

I know the Leafs have holes are their but to go chasing after UFAs isn't the best decision.

Next year.

LHD...Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Valiev and Dermot
RHD... Zaitsev, Carrick....then it's a reach
Just don't think Alzner is needed.

Leafs could probably trade some of their young ELC forwards to a team that will lose a good 4th Dman in the expansion draft.

Alzner is defensively better than any Dman on that list. And only Rielly holds more value. That'd be a massive upgrade for TO to get a guy like Alzner for free in FA.

You absolutely sign Alzner if the price is right (5.5-5.9M range in UFA) - He'd be a valuable addition to quite a few teams in the league.

 

[txpd]

I'd bet that Alzner is a lifer with the Caps and the team Captain after Ov retires.
Look for the Caps to lock him up long term after New Year's

 

[trick9]

Propably similar contract as Tanev and Hjalmarsson got before. Propably slightly more money because the cap is going up.

He's propably the least likely candidate to hit the FA market. He loves to play in Washington and is propably getting the C from Ovechkin when the time is right.

 

[Todos a la Calle]

Orpik got 5.5 if I am Alzner agent he doesn't sign for a dime less

Sold! If that's what it takes for the Caps to re-sign Alzner, I would give him an identical contract to Orpik's and not think twice.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Sold! If that's what it takes for the Caps to re-sign Alzner, I would give him an identical contract to Orpik's and not think twice.

I would ask for more but Wouldn't settle for less

 

[biturbo19]

Orpik got 5.5 if I am Alzner agent he doesn't sign for a dime less

Yeah. It's hard to imagine how Alzner would get less money than Orpik, unless he's in the mood to give Washington a huge sweetheart deal for some reason. And you know agents and the NHLPA will apply tons of pressure to get something a lot closer to as much as he can.

So essentially, $5.5M as a floor. There'd be a good lineup of teams out there who would gladly give him that deal or more on the open market too.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yeah. It's hard to imagine how Alzner would get less money than Orpik, unless he's in the mood to give Washington a huge sweetheart deal for some reason. And you know agents and the NHLPA will apply tons of pressure to get something a lot closer to as much as he can.

So essentially, $5.5M as a floor. There'd be a good lineup of teams out there who would gladly give him that deal or more on the open market too.

Agreed and I think Benning is among them

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Would love Alzner on the Avs. If they have Barrie in their long-term picture Alzner would be pretty much the picture perfect partner for him. That or pair him with EJ to have a shutdown pairing that can play a boatload of minutes. Would be okay with paying him 5.5-6 a year, his style should be one that can hold up into the latter parts of his career.

 

[oilerbear]

Obviously when you look at the D men that are set to hit the UFA market Kevin Shattenkirk is the headliner along with Brent Burns, but another guy I think will get A LOT of attention is Karl Alzner, I think if he hits free agency teams will be all overvhim.

I think teams like Calgary Toronto Edmonton Buffalo Bostond the Ranagers and Wings would all show huge interest in the guy as he would fill a big hole on all those teams.

Thats just off the top of my head I think he would get A LOT of interest I just wonder if he gets more many than Orpik.

What do you think?

For every minute of play in a game.
teams need to be .31 GF/60 better than the opposition for a team to have a chance at a Wild card playoff spot over a whole season.

Burns the last 2 years is a bottom 60 HSCA D.
with a below average SA/60.
Burns was 2.42 EVGA/60 for the last 2 years.

Forwards need to score 2.73 EVGF/60 to be Wild card competitive.
only 57 Forwards can outscore that.

A line of Hall-Duchene-Perry cannot score enough to counter that defence.

EVGF:
Dmen 2-6 generate even goals at the same rate as Forwards 10-14.
of the top 300 EVG scorers.
273 forwards score 93.8% of the goals.
27 Dmen score 6.2% of the goals.
273 forwards score at .71 EVG/60
27 Dmen score at .35 EVG/60

Guess who drives even offence?

All the dmen should be doing is get the forwards the puck!
EVA/60

the same occurs on the PP.
8 % of top 150 PP goalscorers goals come from Dmen.
once again.
Get the puck in the hands of the Forwards.

Cup caliber teams need 3+ top 60 HSCA D.

Karl Alzner:
1st comp
Top 70 EVA/60
top 30 HSCA D
#14 EVGA D 1.75 EVGA/60
242 forwards can score 2.06 EVGF/60 or better.
Winnick- Arcobello-Beagle can be WC competitive with alzners defence.
Alzner is #12 PKGA d in the game.

there are 2 Dmen in the top 15 EVGA and top 15 PKGA.
Larsson
1st comp
top 40 EVA/60
#1 EVGA
#12 PKGA

Alzner
1st comp
top 70 EVA/60
#14 EVGA
#11 PKGA

Larsson the best Def D in the game last 2 years, is a steal at 4.167M.

Alzner is in the group of 14-16 Dmen PC defines as a #1D
1st comp
top 50 HSCA
top 50 EVGA
top 50 PKGA

close example
A. greene 5M

similar style D with inferior results.
J. Bouw 5.4M
Deykeyser 5M
Methot 4.9M
Tanev 4.45M
Hjarlmason 4.2M

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

For every minute of play in a game.
teams need to be .31 GF/60 better than the opposition for a team to have a chance at a Wild card playoff spot over a whole season.

Burns the last 2 years is a bottom 60 HSCA D.
with a below average SA/60.
Burns was 2.42 EVGA/60 for the last 2 years.

Forwards need to score 2.73 EVGF/60 to be Wild card competitive.
only 57 Forwards can outscore that.

A line of Hall-Duchene-Perry cannot score enough to counter that defence.

EVGF:
Dmen 2-6 generate even goals at the same rate as Forwards 10-14.
of the top 300 EVG scorers.
273 forwards score 93.8% of the goals.
27 Dmen score 6.2% of the goals.
273 forwards score at .71 EVG/60
27 Dmen score at .35 EVG/60

Guess who drives even offence?

All the dmen should be doing is get the forwards the puck!
EVA/60

the same occurs on the PP.
8 % of top 150 PP goalscorers goals come from Dmen.
once again.
Get the puck in the hands of the Forwards.

Cup caliber teams need 3+ top 60 HSCA D.

Karl Alzner:
1st comp
Top 70 EVA/60
top 30 HSCA D
#14 EVGA D 1.75 EVGA/60
242 forwards can score 2.06 EVGF/60 or better.
Winnick- Arcobello-Beagle can be WC competitive with alzners defence.
Alzner is #12 PKGA d in the game.

there are 2 Dmen in the top 15 EVGA and top 15 PKGA.
Larsson
1st comp
top 40 EVA/60
#1 EVGA
#12 PKGA

Alzner
1st comp
top 70 EVA/60
#14 EVGA
#11 PKGA

Larsson the best Def D in the game last 2 years, is a steal at 4.167M.

Alzner is in the group of 14-16 Dmen PC defines as a #1D
1st comp
top 50 HSCA
top 50 EVGA
top 50 PKGA

close example
A. greene 5M

similar style D with inferior results.
J. Bouw 5.4M
Deykeyser 5M
Methot 4.9M
Tanev 4.45M
Hjarlmason 4.2M

Adam Larsson isn't the best at anything in the NHL

 

[hockeykicker]

Remember, he took less money last time to stay in Washington. Will be interesting to see if he does it again. If he doesn't caps do have enough still to keep him but it may cost orlov

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Remember, he took less money last time to stay in Washington. Will be interesting to see if he does it again. If he doesn't caps do have enough still to keep him but it may cost orlov

Thats why I don't expect it to happen because it already happened once

 

[Stuzchuk]

add 1M-2M to what Dekeyser got with the same terms

Alzner is a better player than DD

 

[hockeykicker]

Thats why I don't expect it to happen because it already happened once

But maybe he will

But seriously, Washington will throw the bank at him if they need to. Like others have said, he's a leader in the locker room( next captain if ovie wants it) and he loves it in DC (his words, but that can sometimes be meaningless) and he is playing on one of the better eastern conference teams. Don't see why he would want to leave (homer opinion)

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

add 1M-2M to what Dekeyser got with the same terms

Alzner is a better player than DD

So you think ge can get as much as 7 million?

 

[txpd]

These things always make me laugh. Players that are as good as Alzner that want to hit the UFA market are never signed for reasonable contracts unless its to play for his hometown team or something. So anyone other than Washington or Calgary is going to have to outbid the other teams. Which means not a reasonable cap hit.