Post-Game Talk: Kaned again Jets lose 4-1

[gojetsgo]

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That list will continue to grow and populate itself. Laine is an "average" to may be a little above average player.

He's slow on bursts from the start -very slow ( top end is ok) he continually gives the puck away, and doesn't dominate the play. Thank God he's got a great shot, because if he didn't, he should be plaing on the 3rd and 4th line.

The most talented guys on the Jets are in this order - Scheiffele, Ehlers, Connor, Wheeler and Helle. I'd even go so far as to say Ehlers is our best player. Roslovic is coming along very nicely.

We would be a different team -- if Little and Buff return, and Perrault and Copp of course. I think Little is missed more than people realize.

Right now we've lost a "lot" of games to last place clubs -not good.

ppg @ 21 just lol....

 

[Guffman]

I just started watching this game a few minutes ago, then after 3 minutes, I said, “Meh, not in the mood.” Sounds like a dud. Good thing I didn’t waste my time on it. Off to catch some zzzzz’s.

 

[GNP]

I just started watching this game a few minutes ago, then after 3 minutes, I said, “Meh, not in the mood.” Sounds like a dud. Good thing I didn’t waste my time on it. Off to catch some zzzzz’s.

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You didn't miss much -- so get to bed

 

[jetsforever]

Missed the game but not too happy about the score

 

[suihkukone]

Connor doesn't have the vision to play with Laine.

Connor doesn't need vision, he just needs to put in some of those passes.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

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That list will continue to grow and populate itself. Laine is an "average" to may be a little above average player.

He's slow on bursts from the start -very slow ( top end is ok) he continually gives the puck away, and doesn't dominate the play. Thank God he's got a great shot, because if he didn't, he should be plaing on the 3rd and 4th line.

The most talented guys on the Jets are in this order - Scheiffele, Ehlers, Connor, Wheeler and Helle. I'd even go so far as to say Ehlers is our best player. Roslovic is coming along very nicely.

We would be a different team -- if Little and Buff return, and Perrault and Copp of course. I think Little is missed more than people realize.

Right now we've lost a "lot" of games to last place clubs -not good.

Laine has been the only player on the first line to play a consistent 200 foot game and is ppg. Connor is a disaster defensively and also weak along the boards, and has easily the worst playmaking ability in out top 6. Chef wakes up when the puck is in the offensive zone, but seems half asleep and totally uninterested in the defensive part of the game. Yet you single out Laine as the weak link, because how he looks out there? There are tons of stats showing that Laine is way above an average player, and his accomplishments speak for themself.

Is Laine the only player who loses pucks along the boards? Has Laine been worse on defense than Connor or Chef this season? Has Laine lacked hustle along the boards? Hasn’t Laine been able to use his big body succesfully to shield the puck and keep posession and deliver crisp passes in the o-zone? Connor has been worse in all those areas this season.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Connor doesn't need vision, he just needs to put in some of those passes.

Then put him on the third line where he can be the designated finisher and give that line some punch.

 

[Evil Little]

Goalied.

f*** it.

 

[Jets 31]

Not a game you should lose , at home against a division rival who was on a back to back . Lehner made alot of timely saves that might of changed the game around if he lets one of those in . Not happy but no Little , Frenchie , Copp is too many injuries up front with who we have playing defense . Put Buff and Kulikov in for BooBoo and Bitetto and that's a defense you can win with . Need to win the next 2 games before Xmas .

 

[Jets 31]

BooBoo and Bitteto , the KillerBees , they kill OUR defense .

 

[Duke749]

Disgraceful game from Scheifele. Lazy clearing leads to the 2nd goal. Lazy change Leafs to a crucial PP against. Just no excuses for his continued failure to work to prevent goals against.

For all the issues with the waiver wire D corps, Morrissey continued his bewilderingly bad season. He's playing in a fog, with absolutely no bite in his game. I am flummoxed by how poor his season has been.

Maybe they both need the full Sip treatment.

That Schief turnover on the 2nd goal really pissed me off. He almost turned it over to Toews right before that but then goes and gives it to Kane immediately afterwards. Starting to wonder if he can be the #1 center we need to get to that next level. Some really questionable play from him for awhile now.

 

[Duke749]

Laine has been the only player on the first line to play a consistent 200 foot game and is ppg. Connor is a disaster defensively and also weak along the boards, and has easily the worst playmaking ability in out top 6. Chef wakes up when the puck is in the offensive zone, but seems half asleep and totally uninterested in the defensive part of the game. Yet you single out Laine as the weak link, because how he looks out there? There are tons of stats showing that Laine is way above an average player, and his accomplishments speak for themself.

Is Laine the only player who loses pucks along the boards? Has Laine been worse on defense than Connor or Chef this season? Has Laine lacked hustle along the boards? Hasn’t Laine been able to use his big body succesfully to shield the puck and keep posession and deliver crisp passes in the o-zone? Connor has been worse in all those areas this season, which you would notice if you took your Laine bashing glasses off for a while.

Laine has struggled lately defensively. The effort is there but he hasn’t been that good. That combined with Scheif’s “effort” defensively and Connor just being Connor is just going to make things for that line that much worse when it was already weak defensively as a hole anyways. Some effort from 55 would go a long ways to help these two kids.

 

[Jets 31]

Laine has struggled lately defensively. The effort is there but he hasn’t been that good. That combined with Scheif’s “effort” defensively and Connor just being Connor is just going to make things for that line that much worse when it was already weak defensively as a hole anyways. Some effort from 55 would go a long ways to help these two kids.

I agree Scheifele needs to work harder defensively , he also needs Wheeler to show him how to win a faceoff . Scheifele loses too many which right away puts that line on defense which isn't their strength , they need possession to have success . I actually think Wheeler , Ehlers and Roslovic is our #1 line right now .

 

[raideralex99]

That Schief turnover on the 2nd goal really pissed me off. He almost turned it over to Toews right before that but then goes and gives it to Kane immediately afterwards. Starting to wonder if he can be the #1 center we need to get to that next level. Some really questionable play from him for awhile now.

I saw it differently ... Toews went to check Schief and he avoided him and than Schief went to pass but Kane make a great play back checking.

Sometimes the other teams stars have a great game too.

 

[grieves]

Pure domination at times by the Jets. So many high quality chances from both top lines. Scheifele alone in the slot, Connor on a half-breakaway, Lehner just getting a toe on Connor's backdoor play, Chef-to-Laine cross-crease bomb and additional chances after. No even counting how amazing the second line was offensively. Even the fourth line should have potted one.

Outgoalied and a couple of complete blunders that you don't normally see.

Special teams continue to suck (is Connor a good PK guy because that seems a bit strange seeing as how his forté is not defence?)

Laine in the slot seems like a bad idea because he is such a big guy with a long stick so I think it would be preferable to have a close-quarters guy there. I would trash the whole PP system and start from scratch and maybe mix up the players even. Double shift Laine perhaps once you figure out how to really use his shot.

I agree that it might be a good idea to see if you can balance the third and the first line somehow, Connor-Perreault swap could be a good trial for 10 games or so but I'm glad Maurice has been patient in seeing how the first line has been doing.

This was not an sound-the-alarm game even though the team clearly has issues. But hey, don't we all .

 

[King Woodballs]

No joy in joyville
This place is so doom and gloom it’s depressing.

 

[GNP]

I agree Scheifele needs to work harder defensively , he also needs Wheeler to show him how to win a faceoff . Scheifele loses too many which right away puts that line on defense which isn't their strength , they need possession to have success . I actually think Wheeler, Ehlers and Roslovic is our #1 line right now.

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I have to agree that Wheeler, Ehlers and Roslovic are our # 1 line, and they should be getting 1st line minutes. That Ehlers is electric, and one hell of a dynamic player -- he can control the play, with his speed, stickhandling, and great hard accurate shot. Also he can lead a rush - he can do it all.

Also like to see Ehlers on the number 1 power play -- it would pay dividends -- I have no doubt.

 

[ps241]

And I hope everyone is preparing their apologies for Wheeler. The guy was written off here with posts like "Seattle wouldn't claim him even if we exposed him at the XD" (LOL!) .

But now that he is off that "top" line, that top line arguably looks worse (atleast defensively) whereas Wheeler's line is driving the bus with Wheeler player out of position putting up great counting and fancy stats while playing out of position and having an elite faceoff percentage. Fans now need to consider that Wheeler was not the problem with that line.

Shore has been a solid edition, the 4th line atleast looks like they belong playing in the NHL now.

Wheeler’s results while playing centre is right up there with Pionk’s play as my most pleasant surprises of the season.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

No joy in joyville
This place is so doom and gloom it’s depressing.

They have now lost to NJ(shoot out) LA, DET and CHI.
I am not saying that on any given day any team can beat another but that does not inspire confidence. It also shows they are not a top team. I say it is reality check time not doom and gloom.
Theyhave provided good entertainment thus far and exceeded expectations but their weaknesses are being exposed and they are in the toughest division in hockey where points come at a premeium.
Do you think they are a contender as it stands now??

 

[tbcwpg]

They have now lost to NJ(shoot out) LA, DET and CHI.
I am not saying that on any given day any team can beat another but that does not inspire confidence. It also shows they are not a top team. I say it is reality check time not doom and gloom.
Theyhave provided good entertainment thus far and exceeded expectations but their weaknesses are being exposed and they are in the toughest division in hockey where points come at a premeium.
Do you think they are a contender as it stands now??

Boston has also lost to CHI, LA, DET, and OTT. Are they not a top team?

 

[grieves]

I think it's pointless from an analytical perspective to include the iteration we had before November 6, to the one we had after that game in the analysis of how the team is doing. The lines are much more balanced and there are still plenty of things left to tinker with.

Yes, we have issues, but we had really big ones before. The team is trending in the right direction overall.

 

[scelaton]

Not much to say that hasn't been said. Team depth is so shallow that our best players need to outplay their counterparts in order to win. None of them did.
The Scheifele line was awful defensively--minus 3 across the board, deservedly.
Helle was out-goalied.
Morrissey is flagging and needs a stronger partner to thrive as a first-pair D. Buff would look damn fine beside him in a couple of months.
Yet, not all is lost-- we outplayed Chi for most of the game, the Wheeler line looks great and we have a couple of damn fine, inexpensive bottom-pair defensemen playing way above their pay grade. Eg, Sbisa played more minutes than Morrissey last night--have a look at this thread some time to have a chuckle.
Confirmed with Link: - Jets Claim Sbisa
In other news, Chiarot played 26 minutes last night and was +4, and Armia scored his 12th goal.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Step off the ledge everybody.

This was a far better team effort compared to the Canes game. There are issues for sure (injuries, Buff, Helle a little off), but the Jets held the play advantage by far. Wasn’t Chicago without a single shot on goal for like 15 mins at one point?

No Lehrer and this would have been 5 - 4 for the Jets.

We lose the next one, then I’ll start to worry.

 

[Ducky10]

For all of Wheelers great play on the 2nd line, he’s killing the PP. He hangs onto the puck far too long and the play dies on his stick too often. It was sad to see how much quicker and more efficiently the Hawks move the puck on the PP.

None of this talk about finding someone else for Laine to play with would be happening if they converted half their chances last night. The problem is in their half of the ice, not exactly breaking news.

 

[Jets 31]

I'm wondering if we shouldn't pair Morrissey and Pionk as our #1 pairing and see how it goes , then Sbisa and Poolman as our 2nd pairing . Morrissey would be better playing with Pionk and it would give us 1 really good pairing .