Kane Successful Knee Surgery - Jan 10 2025

[McShogun99]

You do know that the second the Oilers take advantage of the LTIR loophole... Uncle Gary is going to step in and finally to do something about it.

We can be the hero's for the rest of the league and finally get this loophole shutdown.

 

[Mr Positive]

We can be the hero's for the rest of the league and finally get this loophole shutdown.

I don't see the big crime here. We are down a player so why wouldn't be able to add someone? It's not like we're enjoying having an important player out of the lineup and going under the knife. It's not even remotely Hossa's allergy or Stone's spleen

 

[McShogun99]

I don't see the big crime here. We are down a player so why wouldn't be able to add someone? It's not like we're enjoying having an important player out of the lineup and going under the knife. It's not even remotely Hossa's allergy or Stone's spleen

But we’re a small market Canadian team. That’s enough for Gary to close the loophole no matter how legit the injury is.

 

[Mr Positive]

But we’re a small market Canadian team. That’s enough for Gary to close the loophole no matter how legit the injury is.

I'm not there with you. I'm not ready to believe that Gary or the refs are against us.

 

[La Bamba]

I'm glad he's taking this year to essentially repair his entire body. He's going to be the ultimate x-factor when he returns. If we get 21/22 season Kane... oh boy.

I think Monahan also did a bunch of fixes on himself and he's returned to form. hopefully the same for Kane

 

[McShogun99]

I'm not there with you. I'm not ready to believe that Gary or the refs are against us.

They aren’t. I just like the conspiracy theory part of it.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

I'm not there with you. I'm not ready to believe that Gary or the refs are against us.

Like that time Gary decided to pro-rate Neal’s goals to cost us a pick? I don’t think he’d have f***ed Vegas like that.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

... and bring back Kostin retained for peanuts.

If Kane's on LTIR they likely won't need retention and could just get him super cheap. If I'm not mistaken they'll have space for about 7.5mil at the deadline.

Zero chance the Oil move out Kane at the TDL, but I would have time for Gibson at 50%. Grab him, someone like Kostin, and a quality 3rd pairing LHD, and I'll be happy going into the playoffs.

 

[Soundwave]

If Kane's on LTIR they likely won't need retention and could just get him super cheap. If I'm not mistaken they'll have space for about 7.5mil at the deadline.

Zero chance the Oil move out Kane at the TDL, but I would have time for Gibson at 50%. Grab him, someone like Kostin, and a quality 3rd pairing LHD, and I'll be happy going into the playoffs.

Yeah that's true also. They could just reacquire Kostin straight up for peanuts if Kane is LTIR-ed officially at the deadline. If we have Kane LTIR-ed and the acrued cap we probably have more cap space than we have assets to acquire players to use on that cap space anyway, so yeah bring back Kostin.

 

[Spawn]

I don't see the big crime here. We are down a player so why wouldn't be able to add someone? It's not like we're enjoying having an important player out of the lineup and going under the knife. It's not even remotely Hossa's allergy or Stone's spleen

If he's back practicing with the team a couple weeks before the season ends and is ready to go exactly for game 1 of the playoffs than it is 100% a Stone spleen situation.

Yeah that's true also. They could just reacquire Kostin straight up for peanuts if Kane is LTIR-ed officially at the deadline. If we have Kane LTIR-ed and the acrued cap we probably have more cap space than we have assets to acquire players to use on that cap space anyway, so yeah bring back Kostin.

Kostin doesn't even make this teams opening night playoff roster with or without Kane. Waste of assets and time.

 

[Mr Positive]

If he's back practicing with the team a couple weeks before the season ends and is ready to go exactly for game 1 of the playoffs than it is 100% a Stone spleen situation.

Maybe so. The difference I see is that Stone's spleen thing came literally right before the deadline, and happens to be one of the most impossible things to prove is actually real. Kane's issues were obvious in the playoffs and his surgeries are intrusive and consequential. I'd actually be surprised if he comes back at 100% like Stone did game 1 of the 1st round.

 

[walktheboulavard]

I'm glad he's taking this year to essentially repair his entire body. He's going to be the ultimate x-factor when he returns. If we get 21/22 season Kane... oh boy.

I think Monahan also did a bunch of fixes on himself and he's returned to form. hopefully the same for Kane

21/22 season playoff Kane was a menace. His performance vs LA and especially Calgary series was legendary, the way he dunked on Tkachuk is something I'll never forget.

Along with production, it's the swagger he brings that could take this team over the top. The heritage classic moment when he's like "what is anybody here going to do" and not a sound in the scrum, or randomly beating on Keegan Kolesar with body shots in the Vegas series are just some things not many players in the league let alone some one from our team has the bravado to do.

If Bowman is able to use the cap space to trade for a top 4 d to play with Nurse, a goalie and Kane comes back 100%. Edmonton is going to be a tough out in the playoffs even more so then they already are anticipated to be.

 

[Stoneman89]

I’m just saying it’s more likely for a higher Iq/elite hockey player to get back to contributing after time off then it is merely a decent hockey player. Kane’s a good player but a step or two below Stone/Kucherov. Kane’s game is also built more so on his physicality than his hockey Iq, so the prospects of him being back to his same level vs. Those guys is less.

If he can’t get back to normal Kane levels of play. We’ve really gained nothing much in this LTIR scenario.

Now if we can replace Kane with a $5M worth of value to our roster AND get Kane back playing at Kane levels then we have the same advantage Vegas/Tampa had.

That makes absolutely no sense to me, but whatever. Hopefully he’s back and up to speed for the playoffs.

 

[walktheboulavard]

These are elite, high IQ players though. Stone was dealing with a bruised spleen(big whoop). Kane seems to be a bruised and broken everything, and is far removed from when he was at his peak here. We’d have to go back to before even his wrist injury.

I’m just saying it’s more likely for a higher Iq/elite hockey player to get back to contributing after time off then it is merely a decent hockey player. Kane’s a good player but a step or two below Stone/Kucherov. Kane’s game is also built more so on his physicality than his hockey Iq, so the prospects of him being back to his same level vs. Those guys is less.

If he can’t get back to normal Kane levels of play. We’ve really gained nothing much in this LTIR scenario.

Now if we can replace Kane with a $5M worth of value to our roster AND get Kane back playing at Kane levels then we have the same advantage Vegas/Tampa had.

I mean he still put up nearly half point per game last playoffs with barely functioning abdominals so there's that. Plenty of gifted athletes in the NHL not everybody does what Kane does, I'd wager some hockey IQ goes into that.

 

[TheNumber4]

I mean he still put up nearly half point per game last playoffs with barely functioning abdominals so there's that. Plenty of gifted athletes in the NHL not everybody does what Kane does, I'd wager some hockey IQ goes into that.

Some. But not elite hockey Iq and he’s still dealing with so many more physical hurdles than Stone/Kuch we’re dealing with at the time. I’m just saying relying on Kane to be a playoff contributor is not the same as relying on Stone/Kucherov for various reasons. And if we don’t get playoff Kane back it’s too early to celebrate LTIR f***ery to make us better in the same way Vegas/Bolts used it.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

He won’t be. Knee surgeries take a year. Question is- why wasn’t this done prior to last year’s trade deadline

Whoa whoa whoa. It didn’t say he’s getting a new knee. It could be a meniscus repair, where if he’s having a little chunk cut off he could be bearing weight in days. With a very speedy recovery.

 

[walktheboulavard]

Some. But not elite hockey Iq and he’s still dealing with so many more physical hurdles than Stone/Kuch we’re dealing with at the time. I’m just saying relying on Kane to be a playoff contributor is not the same as relying on Stone/Kucherov for various reasons. And if we don’t get playoff Kane back it’s too early to celebrate LTIR f***ery to make us better in the same way Vegas/Bolts used it.

They all play different style of game, Mark Stone didn't do much for Vegas in 20/21 nearly identical to Kane last year and he also stank it up 23/24. Kucherov is a superstar he's on another level I'll give you that. Mark protects pucks and has extremely good hands and of course IQ, and Kane is powerful skater with a huge body - nobody is moving him from the crease. He also impacts results through war of attrition, a big body coming at you shift after shift with players like McDavid and Drai waiting to pick you apart; is a dangerous game for the opposition.

edit: Stone isn't doing this while scoring 30 goals

 

[Spawn]

Maybe so. The difference I see is that Stone's spleen thing came literally right before the deadline, and happens to be one of the most impossible things to prove is actually real. Kane's issues were obvious in the playoffs and his surgeries are intrusive and consequential. I'd actually be surprised if he comes back at 100% like Stone did game 1 of the 1st round.

Kanes surgeries were intrusive and consequential I agree. And he's now undergone a minor knee surgery which is going to add an extra 4 to 8 weeks recovery time to what was initially anticipated.

It would be beyond convenient if that extra 4 to 8 weeks pushed his total recovery time right to the playoffs and not a minute sooner while allowing us to fill his spot in LTIR at the deadline.

If that is what happens, lets not be like past Tampa and Vegas fans who pretended like they didn't know exactly what their team was doing.

 

[AlanHUK]

with 4-8 weeks recovery time from today then a 'conditioning loan' to the AHL which can be a max of 14 days you'd be roughly 3 weeks shy of the end of the regular season.

Not certain on the exact mechanics of how the conditioning stints work so would it have to be straight after the recovery time, or can he go through a few practices with the Oilers then go on conditioning loan before being activated from LTIR?

 

[Spawn]

with 4-8 weeks recovery time from today then a 'conditioning loan' to the AHL which can be a max of 14 days you'd be roughly 3 weeks shy of the end of the regular season.

Not certain on the exact mechanics of how the conditioning stints work so would it have to be straight after the recovery time, or can he go through a few practices with the Oilers then go on conditioning loan before being activated from LTIR?

He wont be ready in 4-8 weeks. In 4-8 weeks he'll be able to resume the rehabilitation he was doing for his other injuries. So let's say that before this latest surgery he was going to be back in 4 weeks. Now instead he'll be back in 8-12 weeks.

 

[Fishy McScales]

He won’t be. Knee surgeries take a year. Question is- why wasn’t this done prior to last year’s trade deadline

Everyone remember this post when @foshizzle is talking about advanced stats.

 

[Fourier]

You do know that the second the Oilers take advantage of the LTIR loophole... Uncle Gary is going to step in and finally to do something about it.

Kane has pretty much had the Frankenstein treatment. If his case is not deemed legit they should go back and retroactively strip Chicago, Tampa and Vegas of their cup wins, but yes there is always the chance that Bettman chooses to make the Oilers the scapegoat.

 

[Fourier]

with 4-8 weeks recovery time from today then a 'conditioning loan' to the AHL which can be a max of 14 days you'd be roughly 3 weeks shy of the end of the regular season.

Not certain on the exact mechanics of how the conditioning stints work so would it have to be straight after the recovery time, or can he go through a few practices with the Oilers then go on conditioning loan before being activated from LTIR?

Players on LTIR are limited to 6 days in the AHL or three games which ever is longer. Looks to me like He could go to BAK on April 7th and stay until after the game on April 12th.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Whether he is the right target or not I doubt he costs much at all for a third team to retain. At 50% it is probably less than $300K in real money. SJ may even pay the cost since they save $600K.

Give SJ a fifth in 2026 and they trade the third team a 6th in 2026 to eat half the contract.

SJ doesn't have any retention spots is the issue at play.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

You do know that the second the Oilers take advantage of the LTIR loophole... Uncle Gary is going to step in and finally to do something about it.

I don't wanna send a 2nd to Calgary!