Prospect Info: Kaiden Guhle Part III (Traded to Oil Kings)
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Pretty low expectations.
Guhle could play right now as a top 6 for the Habs. His defensive game is that good. His offense...well, let's say Savard and Guhle would be competing for the most underwhelming.
Dominator13
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You start by calling it "low expectations", and then you validate his entire argument.
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You start by calling it "low expectations", and then you validate his entire argument.
Already at Top 6 at 19? What does that mean to you? Are you OK bro? Covid maybe?
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Dominator13
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Savard and Guhle in the same sentence for offense, what foes that mmes to me? It means that Guhle doesn't have the offense of a top pairing D. That doesn't mean that he sucks or won't be a key part of the club in the following years.
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That Guhle could play right now as a top 6 for the Canadiens is more a statement about the status of Montreal’s defence than Guhle’s comparative abilities. Now for Power, that’s another situation. Right now , Power would play in our top two.
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Didn't help that he had this aura of big physical defenceman you don’t mess with, then he finally dropped the gloves with his nemesis Lucic and that reputation got flushed very quickly.
Speaking of which... has anyone seen Guhle fight? He has an older brother so he's physically had to defend himself growing up. Just wondering because the way he plays, at some point somebody is going to challenge him and I hope he can back it up
The only reason Guhle could play now for the Habs is because Romanov, Savard, Kulak, Clague, Scheuneman and Niku played tonight due to injuries and Covid. I am not for rushing a 19 year old to the NHL.
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I read on internet something about
First D: Driving player, first pair
Second D: complementary player, first pair
Third D : Driving player, second pair
Fourth D: complementary player, first pair
I think that Guhle going to be a #4 but could really well become a #2 (complementary D on first pair).
Obviously the above model is over simplistic . But I found that it’s interesting.
basically, Guhle might logs A LOT of minutes in the NHL without driving the plays.
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The main flaw in Guhle’s game per a recent take by a scout on 91.9 FM is that he’s not creative with the puck but makes a great first pass. His shutdown ability and meanness make him a throwback.
Assuming he were to rise to the level of a first pairing D, what kind of D partner might be optimal for him?
I’m thinking that for someone as defensively aware as Guhle is, you might be able to exploit a D partner who has a strong offensive game but who might be lacking somewhat on the defensive side of things, on the theory that Ghule can cover for him.
Reasonable assumption?
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That's fairly accurate because no one has PMD coming out of their wazoo. So an offensive defenseman is paired with a defensive one.
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Petry would be a perfect partner. Sadly we don't have any strong PMD on the right for the foreseeable future.
Schooner Guy
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Perhaps Mailloux in 3-4 years.
Also Guhle is showing he can play on the right side.
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Two major issues in an otherwise ok game from him.
One...if I'm his coach, the next time he takes himself out of position to make a hit, he better bring tweezers to get the splinter out of his butt because he's riding the pine.
Two....NEVER let an opposing forward behind you. EVER. That PP goal was not on him directly but he's suppose to be the lead defenseman and should of made sure he and his partner had the forwards in front of them. Trying to stick check the guy when he's playing footsie with his goalie is TOO LATE.
One of the players that came up our system was Beaulieu. He had all the tools but never learned how to use them in proper order. He pinch when he shouldn't, he never got the message about not letting forward get behind you, never developed enough hockey IQ to become as good as his tool belt could make him. He never learned from his mistakes.
I'm not comparing him to Guhle, but I am concerned that he's repeating his mistakes. I don't think any coach told him to cripple opposing players and then play hockey. So play hockey and if the opportunity presents itself, go for it. If he's aspiring Weber, I don't see Weber trying to plater anyone on the wall every second play.
He's got the tools and the attitude, but there is work to be done. Hopefully, tonight he will shine.
One...if I'm his coach, the next time he takes himself out of position to make a hit, he better bring tweezers to get the splinter out of his butt because he's riding the pine.
Two....NEVER let an opposing forward behind you. EVER. That PP goal was not on him directly but he's suppose to be the lead defenseman and should of made sure he and his partner had the forwards in front of them. Trying to stick check the guy when he's playing footsie with his goalie is TOO LATE.
One of the players that came up our system was Beaulieu. He had all the tools but never learned how to use them in proper order. He pinch when he shouldn't, he never got the message about not letting forward get behind you, never developed enough hockey IQ to become as good as his tool belt could make him. He never learned from his mistakes.
I'm not comparing him to Guhle, but I am concerned that he's repeating his mistakes. I don't think any coach told him to cripple opposing players and then play hockey. So play hockey and if the opportunity presents itself, go for it. If he's aspiring Weber, I don't see Weber trying to plater anyone on the wall every second play.
He's got the tools and the attitude, but there is work to be done. Hopefully, tonight he will shine.
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He's missed at least a year in development. I never seen him play so I have no idea what he can do or his tool belt.
I hope Mailloux has all kinds of frustration built up and proves he's worth the hassle.
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Who the heck is the buy in the suit? And is ole some kind of code for "crush his will to live"?
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Umm.....no. Right now he can take Kulaks place on the left of Petry and do an equal job.
On the other hand, pairing him with Savard would be a tragedy. One of them has to go to the AHL......
Schooner Guy
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Hence the word “perhaps”. A lot has to go right for Mailloux both hockey wise and as a person. He was a swing for the fences. If he does fulfil his potential, Guhle would be an ideal partner.
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Basically, you’ve described Edmundson with a bit more mobility and aggressiveness. Not bad for a player taken 16th overall. If we would have been as successful with our other 1st round choices over the past decade we probably wouldn’t be in the sorry state that we currently find ourselves.
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I also see Guhle as an enhanced version of Edmunson. Too bad that he doesn't have the creativity of an 1D.
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Nothing bad with that. Unless you're very lucky, you're not getting a 1D defenceman at 16 OA. The problem is that many here see (expect/hope) that Guhle will be the next Larry Robinson. He isn't and never will be. Guhle, will, however, be an important building block as we start the long and painful re-building process. Guhle will never be able to move the needle by himself. If you want to see a player who can and will, watch Power. Watch how he dominates and controls play on the ice. The mark of a true 1D defenceman.
Vachon23
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I love Eddy, but he never had Guhle number in JNR. Even if Guhle is not a futur 50 pts + in the NHL, he still have some offence in him that Eddy doesn't have
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