Kadri discussion thread after his 30th goal - now featuring 60 points!

[WWB]

Does anyone remember this garbage:


Good on Naz on finally silencing the critics.

This crap is why I stopped reading this news paper. For years and years I was a regular reader. Between this crap, Steve Simmons , and their stupid paywall (which is so easy to get past) I stopped buying and reading their stupid tabloid. This kinda crap is no way to treat a human being period.


Kadri is a beaut...I'm super pumped for how he's played this season. He deserves all the accolades he's been getting.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Low-end #1C/high-end #2C doing his thing.

 

[Zybalto]

Low-end #1C/high-end #2C doing his thing.

League wide for centers,

He's 6th in Goals, top 20 in points and puts up those numbers while playing against other teams top lines. Comparable around him are Monahan, Toews, Giroux, Johansen, Stall.......except he's got more goals than all of them.

You can call him a high-end #2 with the emergence of our franchise C but he's a solid #1 in his own right.

 

[wmark]

So he's not a 32 point centre?

He's a 60 point centre.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

League wide for centers,

He's 6th in Goals, top 20 in points and puts up those numbers while playing against other teams top lines. Comparable around him are Monahan, Toews, Giroux, Johansen, Stall.......except he's got more goals than all of them.

You can call him a high-end #2 with the emergence of our franchise C but he's a solid #1 in his own right.

Oh I'm his biggest fan, trust me. I have different level of Cs. Elite #1Cs (the Crosby/Tavares/Bergeron/Seguin/etc grop), average #1Cs (the Krejci/Couture/etc group) and then the low-end #1C (the Stephan, O'Rielly, Kadri, RyJo/etc group). I just said low-end #1C/high-end #2C because that group is pretty big.

 

[Faltorvo]

League wide for centers,

He's 6th in Goals, top 20 in points and puts up those numbers while playing against other teams top lines. Comparable around him are Monahan, Toews, Giroux, Johansen, Stall.......except he's got more goals than all of them.

You can call him a high-end #2 with the emergence of our franchise C but he's a solid #1 in his own right.

I'll just put it this simple way

He is the kind of #2c ( roster #2, not league comparables) that you can


win a cup with.

 

[Randy Randerson]

League wide for centers,

He's 6th in Goals, top 20 in points and puts up those numbers while playing against other teams top lines. Comparable around him are Monahan, Toews, Giroux, Johansen, Stall.......except he's got more goals than all of them.

You can call him a high-end #2 with the emergence of our franchise C but he's a solid #1 in his own right.

His linemates aren't bad, but pretty much all of the guys above him in the scoring list have better than Komarov and Nylander/Brown so his performance is probably a little better still than his point totals

oddly enough he's seemed less creative this year than in years passed to me, scoring a lot of dirty area goals and cycling, less low percentage outside-in toe drags. Not as many highlights but better production

 

[shakermaker]

Because everyone's skills decline and health risks go up as they age.

There's a reason the average NHL retirement age is 28.18 years.

Is 43 some super specimen immune to the effects of aging?

Kadri is an average NHLer?

That's a rediculous statement given that the average NHL career is also 247.5 games played.

Kadri is at 404 now so I guess he should hang em up, that's all she wrote folks!

ffs open your eyes. The kid is having a career year, age 27-31 are some prime years and points aren't everything. He's playing the right way under Babs and we should be happy to have him.

 

[zeke]

nice little role player.

 

[Pi]

nice little role player.

Yep. I'm surprised he's still in the NHL. Overpaid bum.

We should have traded this guy++ for Rick Nash when we had the chance!

 

[The Apologist]

Yep. I'm surprised he's still in the NHL. Overpaid bum.

We should have traded this guy++ for Rick Nash when we had the chance!

Well done Naz.

 

[KPower]

Well done Naz.

Cmon man , that was the most obvious sarcasm I've ever seen.

 

[Eb]

I love Naz.

Scores a goal and then knocks that ***** in the mouth. LOL

 

[Apotheosis]

We found our "Marchand". Next step is hitting 70 points next season (if possible) while being elite defensively and then being able to laugh at the people still calling him "barely a 2C".

 

[Randy Randerson]

how close is what Kadri is doing this year to what we hoped he would be as a prospect?

IIRC the optimistic outlook was around 70pts with some grit and ok defense but not shutdown type. Low 60's output with 3rd line wingers playing against top lines with shutdown type defense sounds pretty close to that, maybe more effective of a player than what we'd hoped for

 

[Pi]

how close is what Kadri is doing this year to what we hoped he would be as a prospect?

IIRC the optimistic outlook was around 70pts with some grit and ok defense but not shutdown type. Low 60's output with 3rd line wingers playing against top lines with shutdown type defense sounds pretty close to that, maybe more effective of a player than what we'd hoped for

I always felt like Kadri got the shaft playing with inferior linemates. It's amazing had he signed a one year prove me deal after last year, we would be ****ed right now.

4.5M for a guy that plays like he's worth 6.5M minimum.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I always felt like Kadri got the shaft playing with inferior linemates. It's amazing had he signed a one year prove me deal after last year, we would be ****ed right now.

4.5M for a guy that plays like he's worth 6.5M minimum.

100%, building a sustainable contender takes some risks on longer contracts, let's hope lightning strikes thrice with Zaitsev

 

[topched88]

I think Kadri has become one of the most underrated players in the NHL.

 

[taurine330]

Remember how ROR was apparently superior to Kadri. I don't see him hitting 30+ goals.

 

[taurine330]

I think Kadri has become one of the most underrated players in the NHL.

Probably because he plays for the Leafs.

 

[Faltorvo]

Remember how ROR was apparently superior to Kadri. I don't see him hitting 30+ goals.

player vs player i'll take ROR but not by a huge margin.

player and their contract vs player and their contract?

Kadri and it's not even remotely close.


ROR has a 3m larger cap hit YIKES.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

His linemates aren't bad, but pretty much all of the guys above him in the scoring list have better than Komarov and Nylander/Brown so his performance is probably a little better still than his point totals

oddly enough he's seemed less creative this year than in years passed to me, scoring a lot of dirty area goals and cycling, less low percentage outside-in toe drags. Not as many highlights but better production

Points wise that might be true. But I do think Komarov has had an influence on Kadri and been part of his turnaround and how he managed to find such success in his new role.

But Kadri really is a complete player these days. Not the same as he is elite on everything. But he has good vision and no longer just in the immediate area but he can read the play all over the ice. And he is a technically skilled as any one else is. But he also manages to play with an attitude and a grit usually reserved for grinders and pests. So the combination of it all is our very own swizz army knife, and it is a sharp one. And that is why he goes up against the best every night. Because he can play and think hockey like them, but also throw a fist full of nails their way.

Still in awe of his development despite the taste of crow he left me with.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Remember how ROR was apparently superior to Kadri. I don't see him hitting 30+ goals.

And don't forget that Buffalo was also supposed to be years ahead of the Leafs in their rebuild. They've shown how terrible they are without Eichel. We're obviously worse off without Matthews but we can still ice a decent team without him.

 

[Mitchy]

Remember when a group of us last year argued that there was no way Kadri would have such a low shooting percentage again and that everything (underlying stats, his 60 point pace after New Year's) pointed to him having a terrific season this year?

Well, glad to know we were right. It's sad that there are some who still, at best, can only throw back handed compliments.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Remember when a group of us last year argued that there was no way Kadri would have such a low shooting percentage again and that everything (underlying stats, his 60 point pace after New Year's) pointed to him having a terrific season this year?

Well, glad to know we were right. It's sad that there are some who still, at best, can only throw back handed compliments.

I think any of us who were aware of his unlucky shooting percentage were thinking he was gonna go back to around normal levels this year and put up 25 goals. 30+ has been the cherry on top especially in a shut down type of role. He's become our Kesler, only more hated.