Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

[bleedblue94]

I'm not arguing that they weren't stale to start.... but when they play well they should be rewarded. When they are producing, they should be left alone. Both players were moved after starting to find their groove.. most notably Kakko with Panarin and Laffy was replace by Reaves in Minnesota.

It's bizzaro moves like that, that bother me. Laffy should have been getting 17-18 minutes a game in the playoffs. He was easily our best 5v5 player IMO


There's no risk in giving him a 2-3 year deal.

There is a risk in giving him a 1 year deal.

See and I dont think automatically producing = playing well.

That is the difference. A lot of people here equate the fantasy stat view to playing well. Players can play well and not produce, and they can play like trash and produce points (panarin in the playoffs).

For all the praise heaped at kakko for his defensive game I dont even think he has been consistently good there primarily bc he lacks that extra effort most nhl players have to provide and he isn't good enough to skip by right now on talent. I say again, when he is beaten one on one he often hesitates with a sulk of sorts before he attempts to reengage the play and that second or two that he lets go by allows the other player to leave with the puck or move it along. that is the part of 1 on 1 battle that he struggles with and it has more to do with instinctual attitude and work ethic than it does skill. laf did that at times in the year and he was adjusted accordingly. These are the differences of top prospects in an org trying to make the playoffs and make a run vs them playing in NJ or ARZ. Personally I have no issue with expectations...

 

[TheDirtyH]

I hate to say it, but what if he does bust? The tight cap could be seen the other way; you don't want to commit what's more than necessary. On a 1-year deal, he's still RFA and his rights retained after next year. Kakko needs to prove it, if on a 1-year deal. There's also RFA arbitration as an option. Looking at it from management's side.

At this point 'bust' is a totally relative term since he is at minimum a middle six play driving wing on a contending team. Throw in his predraft pedigree and you have a player that will always have value around the league. If you're going to move on from Kakko, having him locked up for multiple years only makes that more plausible and your return better, regardless if he pops offensively

Just look at Brock boeser vs Brady skjei. One flounders and gets a 1st, the other continues to play well but moving on has become a huge issue due to cost on a future contract.

 

[will1066]

At this point 'bust' is a totally relative term since he is at minimum a middle six play driving wing on a contending team. Throw in his predraft pedigree and you have a player that will always have value around the league. If you're going to move on from Kakko, having him locked up for multiple years only makes that more plausible and your return better, regardless if he pops offensively

Just look at Brock boeser vs Brady skjei. One flounders and gets a 1st, the other continues to play well but moving on has become a huge issue due to cost on a future contract.

Those are good points. I think there's risk involved with either approach. Given the way he looks currently, I just don't think that Drury wants to commit multiple years. Kakko is not a Fox or Shesty situation, the latter of whom already have proven it. Kakko needs to a numbers improvement to get the fat contract, more than just passing the eye test. I think draft pedigree has an expiration date too. When it comes down to contract time, it's always going to be about numbers.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Those are good points. I think there's risk involved with either approach. Given the way he looks currently, I just don't think that Drury wants to commit multiple years. Kakko is not a Fox or Shesty situation, the latter of whom already have proven it. Kakko needs to a numbers improvement to get the fat contract, more than just passing the eye test. I think draft pedigree has an expiration date too. When it comes down to contract time, it's always going to be about numbers.

Totally. I doubt Kakkos camp would aim for a lengthy deal at this point either.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Those are good points. I think there's risk involved with either approach. Given the way he looks currently, I just don't think that Drury wants to commit multiple years. Kakko is not a Fox or Shesty situation, the latter of whom already have proven it. Kakko needs to a numbers improvement to get the fat contract, more than just passing the eye test. I think draft pedigree has an expiration date too. When it comes down to contract time, it's always going to be about numbers.

I dont think Drury is going to shy away from at least 2-3 years with kakko. Im sure Kakko wants a 1 year deal, as someone who has confidence in himself hes going to believe that with top 6 time, he'll break out.
I think 2 years will be the middle ground. Walks him to the cap jump off season.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think Panarin should play RW. He is already excellent at it on the powerplay. He loves to gain the zone and make a pass. On the right side, he can do exactly that on his forehand.

Kreider on the RW also makes sense from a perspective of taking a shot off the rush from the middle of the ice.

With Breads style that (being on the right) actually puts him on his backhand shooting and passing. He plays the off wing so that when he turns towards the middle of the ice he is on his forehand. I think Laf would benefit playing the RW for the same reason and I said that all season.

 

[Torspo21]

 

[tomobson]

Kakko is one of those silent types that slays.

 

[will1066]

He had a rough season. He deserves some off time.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Glad he's scoring off the ice this summer. Next step is to actually score on the ice

 

[Bluto]

It must suck to have the public scrutinize your time off.
"errmerrgerrd he isn't in the gym 24/7 and is at a music festival having fun on vacation! TRADE HIM!"
If I was a pro athlete today, I wouldn't have social media. f*** that nonsense.

 

[hi]

What a great teammate. Going and supporting Mika at one of his shows during the off-season.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

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he finally lost his v-card?? Breakout season incoming

 

[LionsHeart]

Good summer for young New York players apparently.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

WHAT effing BUST GUYS?! Imma lose my mind on this debate, it's unbelievable.

He was injured a lot this season and still put up his best numbers to date.

Are we dissapointed that it's not enough points, yes!
But he also didn't play much on the PP and didn't get constant top 6 minutes.

I'm better off just ignoring this until the regular season starts again. Unless we trade the kid, then I'll riot.

And again scratching Kaapo for that last game, was just a plain wrong decision.

 

[Bluto]

I expect the Rangers to trade Kakko now.
And then peak Rangers will watch Kakko break out and pull a JT Miller while we trade whatever we get for Kakko for a 5th in 2 years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I expect the Rangers to trade Kakko now.
And then peak Rangers will watch Kakko break out and pull a JT Miller while we trade whatever we get for Kakko for a 5th in 2 years.

Nichuskin is a cautionary tale for us, a player I've been saying we should have aquired when he was low and now he's a beast. Kakko is of the same mold as him, power forwards take time to get accustomed to the league. Kakko showed a bit of that in the playoffs, as long as he works on his skating we should absolutely keep him.

 

[will1066]

pick up line:
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Wow, they’re some nice …tties.

"Biggest game so far for me, and Coach decides to not put me in."

"Oh, you poor thing! Come put your head down here. I will make you feel better."

 

[LokiDog]

"Biggest game so far for me, and Coach decides to not put me in."

"Oh, you poor thing! Come put your head down here. I will make you feel better."

If you really want to make me feel better, you put your head down here.

 

[QJL]

If I’m Kakko I want a 1 year deal. Bet on himself to break out immediately. I don’t think that’s ideal for the Rangers who probably want to go 2-3.

 

[LOFIN]

Nichuskin is a cautionary tale for us, a player I've been saying we should have aquired when he was low and now he's a beast. Kakko is of the same mold as him, power forwards take time to get accustomed to the league. Kakko showed a bit of that in the playoffs, as long as he works on his skating we should absolutely keep him.

The question here is obviously, can Kakko reach his potential as a Ranger. But doesn't mean he should be traded now when his value is at an all time low.

If I’m Kakko I want a 1 year deal. Bet on himself to break out immediately. I don’t think that’s ideal for the Rangers who probably want to go 2-3.

I mean didn't Vince say like two weeks ago they are basically working on a Chytil deal? Why it's not yet done is another question.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Wow Kakko has good taste. Can't bash him for that. You go Kaapo!

 

[NYRFANMANI]

he finally lost his v-card?? Breakout season incoming

she looks like drama, lol

Can't wait for next season.

 

[TominNC]

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Someone tell Kappo the royal road is the other way

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

Kaapo "No Confidence" Kakko