Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko
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Yip, theres always some kind of shattenkirk, dan boyle, etc etc in the way.
6 or 7 instead of 8 was very viable imo. Get a potential huge bargain on a 60+ pt player or two making around 5m in 2025 -27 yknow? Ufa years
Of course there's no guarantee the players would take the deal and their growth could stagnate but the same sort of risk comes with older players. Stagnation and decline.
No player signed at age 28 or 29 has proven they can do anything at age 31-36
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We were speaking about NHL head coaches (Gallant) not a goalie coach. NHL level head coaches are more about teaching X's and O's expectations than individual players skills. They can help with a skill occasionally but their contribution is minimal. They are not going to be teaching skating, shooting, etc at the NHL level in a significant way. Improvements will have to come from players themselves at this level or with other types of coaches like a strength, shooting or power skating instructor in the off season. Occasionally a head coach or an assistant will help with something skill wise but the overwhelming majority of improvement will come from the player themselves. Years ago in the AHL I watched Jamie Lundmark stay 45 minutes after practice working on his 1 timers. It did not work out for Jamie but that is the type of example I'm speaking about. Often young guys build their skills and confidence in their offseasons not during the season.
for every ufa year a player's aav goes up. We were 100% cap strapped when mika extended, and it was lucky we got him at 5.5 x 5... Mika could've bridged the whole way and we'd have been screwed.
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X's and O's can still make or break a player's development. Most of the guys in the NHL have a lot of similar physical attributes to be honest. It's the ability to see the game for the X's and O's that separates a lot of the elite.
A lot of fantastic players have been rather average skaters and shooters by NHL standards but are elite through how they think the game and use their line mates. Coaches are absolutely responsible for getting the most out of the players in their club.
Exactly. We were cap strapped bc we have near zero foresight which is what my og post said.
The point I made was partly that Ufa years drive the price up. That's why I mentioned getting them at a bargain in the hypothetical where we lock some young guns up, bc normally those years would cost 6-9 million depending on if the players develop into 60+ point guys.
If we had the foresight to lock guys in for 6+ years then we'd pay more on rfa years to have a potential huge bargain on the ufa years
its not zero foresight. Its that we were essentially paying for our cup run. and we didn't have any space.
No contending team is going to have the cap room to keep all its players AND sign its kids to team friendly deals early. None. Kids who perform well enough to get long term deals, get 8 year deals at big money. Kids who don't get bridged. Mackinnon is the exception that proves the rule not the ideal.
The rangers would absolutely love to sign laf to an 8 year 5.5m deal. Laf won't sign that. He might sign an 8x8 like hughes, but that puts us in cap hell again, and we likely lose miller and chytil.
This constant complaints about the rangers cap management ignores the fact that success means bigger contracts.
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With all of the other roster decisions going on with this team going into opening night, it’s kinda nice that Kakko has quietly reasserted himself and is set for first line duties, deservedly.
I didn't say it's zero foresight. I said it's near zero foresight, specifically bc it really wasn't JUST for our cup run. It was for our dumb fascination with aged names and players who don't even fit the system. It's happened before during and after our cup runs. And more often than not it's blown up in our face
Obviously no team can keep allllll their players and sign their kids. Again that's the POINT. We keep on signing MULTIPLE aged vets to long term deals amd basically never take what is the same risk w younger players (i have a feeling i have to say no not literally the exact same). Older players risk declining quick with 4-6 years left on an overpaid deal with nmcs. Younger players risk stagnating and being overpaid but also have potential to be significantly underpaid. Again that's the point. We ONLY take the old risk. Unless a player is already elite like fox or hank.
We don't plan ahead to sign the kids in order to have long term bargains. We throw the long term deals at aged vets about to hit their decline years. I didn't think it needed to be said but the obvious issue is this was supposed to be a youth focused rebuild and we're staring down the barrel of having almost none of the cap available to sign the young players long term. If someone gets hit in the nose, they learn to lean away when someone goes to slap them. How many times can some fans get slapped in the face by these aged players on super long deals b4 you realize we shouldn't have THIS much time and cap dedicated to them...especially in what was a rebuild
You're telling me common sense stuff as if it counters what I'm saying but it doesnt.
And u keep hyper focusing on 8 year deals when I repeatedly said 6. You're also highlighting laf as if this isn't a discussion of all our young players through a decade plus.
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for one preseason game, at least lol
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Kreider invited him to his group hug with Mika after Mika scored last game. That's the Rangers equivalent of being "made".
Panarin setting up Kravtsov for one timers after every practice is the Rangers equivalent of having to go to summer school.
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I think he is looking quicker with his skating and maybe more importantly has been able to use his edges and stick handling to gain some separation that he has struggled with in the past (something he's been getting better at but thought a couple of times tonight he made a move that was more against the grain an unexpected in order to get a step on a guy when working in tight quarters)
I gotta laugh at the people here I've seen say he needs to hit more because when you watch how good he is with his stick disrupting things and forcing turnovers you should realize that if he was just going for hits he'd be constantly behind the play and not forcing those turnovers. He's really damn good at just somehow getting his stick in the way, preventing clean passes, knocking pucks loose, etc. You can't do those things if you're instead just trying to throw a hit that will probably land after the puck has been moved
I gotta laugh at the people here I've seen say he needs to hit more because when you watch how good he is with his stick disrupting things and forcing turnovers you should realize that if he was just going for hits he'd be constantly behind the play and not forcing those turnovers. He's really damn good at just somehow getting his stick in the way, preventing clean passes, knocking pucks loose, etc. You can't do those things if you're instead just trying to throw a hit that will probably land after the puck has been moved
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By the time this season is over Panarin is going to be asking Kakko to take him under his wing and give him some tips. Maybe shoot some one timers after practice if Kakko's not busy.
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This post is already my nomination for post of the year for both 22 and 23
Rongomania
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Sorokin absolutely played that goal as perfect as he could.
So impressive, beyond encouraging. Everything everyone wanted to see from him, he showed, and then some.
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I’ve been real hard on the kid, but he really looks like he’s ready to become a player for us. As long as he stays healthy and keepe shooting the puck
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You wanted to trade him for a Kane rental.
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Kakko had some mustard behind that wrister. And the way he changed angles before letting it go. Love to see it.
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Kakko is treated here like Daniel Jones gets treated by Giants "fans". Lots of things around them have hurt their development. But they can't see past it. It will always be their fault. As a fan of both, i'm looking forward to a year of their redemption.
Synergy27
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Kakko has been looking great and if anyone here is anything other than happy about it they should go suck an egg.
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It’s like a third of the board. The win now crowd has no patience and no foresight.
These are the same people who campaigned against trading DeAngelo when we had Fox and Trouba. Before his incident. When he was coming off like a 60 point season.
Rongomania
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Yep. I was also the dumb f*ck who never thought fox would run a pp better than Tony L O L
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