Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

Status
Not open for further replies.

Casper The Soy Ghost

Registered User
Jan 11, 2013
8,744
5,277
People who use “alpha” or “beta” are “morons.”
People who can't understand I used it to get a point across regarding Kakko's weak mentality are truly the morons, lol.

I have literally explained why I used it and that it was not the best choice of words. But at the same time it literally explains how bad Kakko is mentally. He has not shown that he has the drive, the mentality nor the killer instincts to make it in the NHL (so far).

Try to re-install your brain.

Kakko is having a Sigma male offseason.
Not really. He has been super disappointing so far. I hope and I believe he will become a very good top 6 fwd, but he has a lot of weaknesses that he hasn't fixed yet.
 
  • Like
Reactions: EdJovanovski

ColonialsHockey10

Registered User
Jul 22, 2007
15,318
5,036
Did Nash actually have a bad shot? Or did he prefer to just deke/stick handle because he was all-world in that area? I feel like this has become a bit of a myth - you don’t score 40 goals without having at least a pretty good shot.

I think all of Kakko’s perceived weaknesses (underutilization of his shot, bad skater, etc) are entirely due to confidence. When he’s off his game he literally purposely takes himself out of position so he doesn’t have to accept passes in the neutral zone. The only place he’s always comfortable is in the corners in the offensive zone.

I feel like he’s one of those coaching situations where they’re going to have to keep letting him fail until he gets to a point where he realizes it’s okay to make mistakes. Gallant’s quote in the last game of the season feels relevant here - this wasn’t the time to focus on his development (I don’t agree with the choice to bench him, but it felt like this issue was front of mind during the press conference).
 

Gluten Free Breadman

Registered User
Mar 9, 2011
444
587
ny
Not really. He has been super disappointing so far. I hope and I believe he will become a very good top 6 fwd, but he has a lot of weaknesses that he hasn't fixed yet.
Yes really. Between the partying and the pics with the girl and the slapshot video. He shook off getting scratched the last game and everyone was like prease resign, don't let Kappo sad. Strome bad. But then Kakko said everything perfect. Signed his deal. 2 years.

Total f***ing sigma. 4D. No wonder we all can't stop talking about him. There's been 1120 posts since the season ended. That's more than 15 posts a day. Trouba became captain and no one cares. No one checks the Jacob Trouba thread lmao. Only good thing about the new captain was the Panarin video. Everyone comes here to to talk about Kakko. Because yes really.
 

McRanger92

Registered User
Jun 7, 2017
11,616
21,578
Yes really. Between the partying and the pics with the girl and the slapshot video. He shook off getting scratched the last game and everyone was like prease resign, don't let Kappo sad. Strome bad. But then Kakko said everything perfect. Signed his deal. 2 years.

Total f***ing sigma. 4D. No wonder we all can't stop talking about him. There's been 1120 posts since the season ended. That's more than 15 posts a day. Trouba became captain and no one cares. No one checks the Jacob Trouba thread lmao. Only good thing about the new captain was the Panarin video. Everyone comes here to to talk about Kakko. Because yes really.

Has Kakko ever taken a slapshot in an NHL game? I genuinely cant remember, he should try it more if hes breaking 110 mph with it
 

Casper The Soy Ghost

Registered User
Jan 11, 2013
8,744
5,277
Yes really. Between the partying and the pics with the girl and the slapshot video. He shook off getting scratched the last game and everyone was like prease resign, don't let Kappo sad. Strome bad. But then Kakko said everything perfect. Signed his deal. 2 years.

Total f***ing sigma. 4D. No wonder we all can't stop talking about him. There's been 1120 posts since the season ended. That's more than 15 posts a day. Trouba became captain and no one cares. No one checks the Jacob Trouba thread lmao. Only good thing about the new captain was the Panarin video. Everyone comes here to to talk about Kakko. Because yes really.
Nope.

People talk about him because he was our highest draft pick in ages and he was supposed to be NHL ready, I thought so as well.

He has not proven that 3 years later.

He's an enigma, got great potential but he doesn't live up to his draft position, hence why everyone is talking about him.

We need him to step up if we are going to win a cup.

Also about the girl- big deal. A rich, famous person has got a good looking woman close to him, ground shattering stuff!
 
  • Like
Reactions: EdJovanovski

EdJovanovski

#RempeForCalder
Apr 26, 2016
30,093
60,533
The Rempire State
Yes really. Between the partying and the pics with the girl and the slapshot video. He shook off getting scratched the last game and everyone was like prease resign, don't let Kappo sad. Strome bad. But then Kakko said everything perfect. Signed his deal. 2 years.

Total f***ing sigma. 4D. No wonder we all can't stop talking about him. There's been 1120 posts since the season ended. That's more than 15 posts a day. Trouba became captain and no one cares. No one checks the Jacob Trouba thread lmao. Only good thing about the new captain was the Panarin video. Everyone comes here to to talk about Kakko. Because yes really.
I love you but man the bar for this guy is low
Who would've thought in 2019 that we'd be saying well yea his career high going into his D+4 may be 23pts, but at least he managed to get a girlfriend 😂
 

Levitate

Registered User
Jul 29, 2004
31,444
8,792
Did Nash actually have a bad shot? Or did he prefer to just deke/stick handle because he was all-world in that area? I feel like this has become a bit of a myth - you don’t score 40 goals without having at least a pretty good shot.
Nash had an accurate wrist shot but it wasn't a hard, "sniper" wrist shot. He didn't pick corners all the time either, leading people to think his shot was "bad".
 
  • Like
Reactions: ColonialsHockey10

Gluten Free Breadman

Registered User
Mar 9, 2011
444
587
ny
I love you but man the bar for this guy is low
Who would've thought in 2019 that we'd be saying well yea his career high going into his D+4 may be 23pts, but at least he managed to get a girlfriend 😂
I, a Rangers fan, tend to root for guys that play for the Rangers.

I want Kakko to succeed just as much as I want Kravtsov to succeed, just as much as I want Fox to succeed. We all do. We just have different expectations for each player. As long as I see improvement from our guys each year, I am pretty happy.

My expection for Kakko is for him to keep getting better. And evetually, I think Kakko will be one of the best Rangers draft picks of all time.

Now tell me about the copium or something like that.
 

Rongomania

Registered User
Dec 31, 2017
3,965
5,252
Inwood
This thread has derailed completely into Bananasville, USA.

He's 21.

I wonder what the anti-Kak faction of these boards will do when this kid gets going? It'll be TDA 2.0 where they all become huge fans of his gameplay and act like they never shit on a kid who was learning the game. That's becoming clear here for sure A G A I N.

- He had playoff games (at 21) that made prime playoff Rick Nash look like a scrub. Nash absolutely blew in the playoffs mostly and played tons and tons of minutes. I think there's still room he becomes a better player and playoff performer.

- Yes, he's a bottom six guy, right now, at 21. He clearly has plenty of room to grow. That's not a bad thing that he became pretty fantastic defensively at 21 (nash started looking like that at 28 and Strome, well, never looked good defensively).

- Made passes in the playoffs that Vatrano could only dream of making. Huge downside of having Vatrano in that spot, that spot should be Kakkos now.

And again, the PP1 of the future should be Laf - Zib - Kak - Bread - Foxy. The ceilings of Kak and Laf outweigh troch & Kreids by a ton.
 

Levitate

Registered User
Jul 29, 2004
31,444
8,792
I don't see why it's not possible to think that he has been a disappointment so far but still has time to get better and becomes a valuable player and part of this team. Like...it's OK to have complex opinions on things even if it takes a bit more effort on the internet to express them.

For a 2nd overall pick yeah we all wish he'd have produced a lot better, there's no denying that the production has been a disappointment. I think there have been strides in his overall game though and we also shouldn't deny that. It's on him to up his production and prove he should be a top six player for this team but again, it's OK to be disappointed in the results to date while also hoping or believing he can be better.
 

IDvsEGO

Registered User
Oct 11, 2016
5,253
5,223
This thread has derailed completely into Bananasville, USA.

He's 21.

I wonder what the anti-Kak faction of these boards will do when this kid gets going? It'll be TDA 2.0 where they all become huge fans of his gameplay and act like they never shit on a kid who was learning the game. That's becoming clear here for sure A G A I N.

- He had playoff games (at 21) that made prime playoff Rick Nash look like a scrub. Nash absolutely blew in the playoffs mostly and played tons and tons of minutes. I think there's still room he becomes a better player and playoff performer.

- Yes, he's a bottom six guy, right now, at 21. He clearly has plenty of room to grow. That's not a bad thing that he became pretty fantastic defensively at 21 (nash started looking like that at 28 and Strome, well, never looked good defensively).

- Made passes in the playoffs that Vatrano could only dream of making. Huge downside of having Vatrano in that spot, that spot should be Kakkos now.

And again, the PP1 of the future should be Laf - Zib - Kak - Bread - Foxy. The ceilings of Kak and Laf outweigh troch & Kreids by a ton.
While i mostly agree with this take, I'm fine with KK on PP2 I think giving him time to control a powerplay himself, the way bread does it, is a part of his development.
 

Rongomania

Registered User
Dec 31, 2017
3,965
5,252
Inwood
While i mostly agree with this take, I'm fine with KK on PP2 I think giving him time to control a powerplay himself, the way bread does it, is a part of his development.

I don't disagree with that while he's clearly still growing. Though I do think one day, that is going to be the best powerplay we've ever had. The ceilings of Kak and Laf really make you think that if they can break out, we will be the most dangerous team around.

All the other teams haven't gotten better. Sure Tampa and the Avs will be good for a long time but we have the chance to be better and do it a hell of a lot faster.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bhamill

IDvsEGO

Registered User
Oct 11, 2016
5,253
5,223
I don't disagree with that while he's clearly still growing. Though I do think one day, that is going to be the best powerplay we've ever had. The ceilings of Kak and Laf really make you think that if they can break out, we will be the most dangerous team around.

All the other teams haven't gotten better. Sure Tampa and the Avs will be good for a long time but we have the chance to be better and do it a hell of a lot faster.
The biggest constraint we'll have is managing the cap, but if the kids develop properly then yes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rongomania

alkurtz

Registered User
Nov 26, 2006
1,471
1,151
Charlotte, NC
How many young players have we been frustrated with during their first years as pros and with the Rangers? How many of them did we question their maturity level, performance, and future ability to do well?
Dubinsky, Kreider, JT Miller, Buchnevich...all come to mind.

I think part of the issue with KK is the discrepancy between the player we thought we were getting with him and the player he may turn out to be. I think we were expecting a goal scorer. What we may get is an absolutely fine, two way winger, strong on the boards, strong with puck possession, responsibly defensively. He may never be that 35-40 goal scorer we had hoped for, but he very well may be a solid 25-30, 30-30 second line winger. And, if that happens, that is perfectly fine.

We need patience. He needs to mature. Yes, of course I am concerned with his first few years here. But, I am far from saying he is a bust or even a disappointment. This year is crucial for us to see improvement. But, even if he shows nominal improvement, I would still not give up on him. Some guys just take longer. Certainly, warning signs are there but there are also hopeful signs.

Personally, I would like to see him get second line minutes this year. But that depends on so many other factors, not even including his own performance.

Patience often pays off. Sometimes it doesn't. But KK deserves our patience.
 

GENESISPuck94

Registered User
May 2, 2022
3,594
6,773
NJ
Yup. The problem is that laf needs PP time, and CK is still one of the best PP goal scorers we have.
Theres some balance to this.
Well I prefer Lafreniere getting PP1 time. for sure. He is more important to the franchise long term.

If Kakko isn't getting PP1 time, I want him getting PK time. He should be playing in big spots one way or another. This sheltering bull crap needs to stop.
 

Casper The Soy Ghost

Registered User
Jan 11, 2013
8,744
5,277
Well I prefer Lafreniere getting PP1 time. for sure. He is more important to the franchise long term.

If Kakko isn't getting PP1 time, I want him getting PK time. He should be playing in big spots one way or another. This sheltering bull crap needs to stop.
100%.

I think Kakko would be a very good PKer at the very least.
 

IDvsEGO

Registered User
Oct 11, 2016
5,253
5,223
Well I prefer Lafreniere getting PP1 time. for sure. He is more important to the franchise long term.

If Kakko isn't getting PP1 time, I want him getting PK time. He should be playing in big spots one way or another. This sheltering bull crap needs to stop.
I dont think last year had anything to do with sheltering. Gallant didnt really shelter the kids in that regard. He played them in tough minutes in the playoffs.
He mostly had his vets on the PK though because aside from mika and ck, if they get banged up blocking a shot its not as big a deal.
But yeah kakko should be on the pk.
 

Rongomania

Registered User
Dec 31, 2017
3,965
5,252
Inwood
I concur, Kakko PK'ing should be a thing, but he needs at least a look or three in the Strome spot on PP1.

Zibanejad became a great Pk'er at what? 26-28? We're already talking about this kid potentially playing the PP & PK at 21.

And I absolutely believe he can achieve these goals.

Big season for the big kid. I hope he comes in a brand new man with 19 rather solid fresh PO games under his belt. Add shooting mentality to the great passing game we saw in the PO's. The spotlight will be on him to prove Gallants decision lit a fire underneath him.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad