Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

[NYRFANMANI]

I for one am happy that our team doesn't get pushed around all over the ice anymore. Jacob Trouba is a huge reason our team plays a bigger, heavier game with confidence.

I'm happy too, but I for one can't attribute it to Troubs, because he was here for 3 seasons already. Just this year he started with the mean streak and freight train hits. The team got heavier and meaner (Reaves, Barc to an extent) and in turn that gave him (and the whole squad) the confidence to do it too.

Getting tougher was ridiculed at times here, but there is no question adding heavy players, made other players play heavier too. (Which is something we knew for years, only the f***ing FO had to get there.)

First year Trouba played up to his contract. I hope it stays that way for the next 2 seasons.

 

[Baby Punisher]

We agree that the window is NOW, but trading for a Kane shortens that window into a MUST win, rather than we have a significant window for the younger guys to grow while being contenders.

I thought the changes were made as a result of Tom Wilson ragdolling Panarin, not necessarily to immediately expect to be a Cup contender.

Dolan said that he had made up his mind to let everyone go before the Wilson incident. JD had said that he had a few respectful; conversations with Dolan about the direction the team should go in. At that time JD, Groton, and Dolan weren't on the same page. The Wilson incident happens and the shit hit the fan.

 

[Baby Punisher]

But he's not ever going to get that role here. That's why he's not worth it.

We paid him $8m to be on our first power play and first pair when he signed that contract.

Subsequent events have demoted him from that role, and on the basis of his role (basically we've cast him in a defensive-defenseman second pair role) he is not nearly $8m good.

He's not even $8m good if he was on the first pair putting up those numbers, but at least then the overpay is only a million or two. As we are deploying him, he's not getting the chance to put up the offensive numbers and his defense is not nearly worth what we signed him for. He's an offensive defenseman being paid $8m and now miscast in the wrong role.



Go look at the deadline additions for, let's say, the last 10 Cup winners. Most of them added only very minor pieces with no big name prospects or first round picks being traded away.

This idea that you have to make a big splash at the deadline is false.

Trouba is making market rate. I recall countless people on HF touting that $ 8 million seems like a lot when he was signed, but his contract will be a bargain in a few years. Remove him from the team and the rest of the defense is exposed.

 

[mas0764]

Trouba is making market rate. I recall countless people on HF touting that $ 8 million seems like a lot when he was signed, but his contract will be a bargain in a few years. Remove him from the team and the rest of the defense is exposed.

Market rate is an irrelevant term in the context of this discussion. We could go sign Marc Andre Fleury to a market rate contract and I’d be advocating we can’t afford him and have to move him too.

On top of that, no, $8m is not the market rate for what he does when Fox and Makar are getting $9m.

Finally, while this defense would be worse this coming year without Trouba on it, it would not be “exposed.” The kids would get experience and grow into their roles. Miller is ready for prime time and Schneider almost is. The need for Trouba to be a second pair anchor, which again, as his value is actually as an offensive defenseman and he’s only mediocre defensively, is quickly dwindling.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Market rate is an irrelevant term in the context of this discussion. We could go sign Marc Andre Fleury to a market rate contract and I’d be advocating we can’t afford him and have to move him too.

On top of that, no, $8m is not the market rate for what he does when Fox and Makar are getting $9m.

Finally, while this defense would be worse this coming year without Trouba on it, it would not be “exposed.” The kids would get experience and grow into their roles. Miller is ready for prime time and Schneider almost is. The need for Trouba to be a second pair anchor, which again, as his value is actually as an offensive defenseman and he’s only mediocre defensively, is quickly dwindling.

You assume that the kids will step in and perform these epic feats that will magically appear out of no where by removing Trouba. It makes no sense what at all. I guess it could happen, but at what learning curve. You insist we can't afford Trouba, but yet here we are virtually everyone signed and ready to go and still under the cap waiting to make a move for Kane.

 

[mas0764]

You assume that the kids will step in and perform these epic feats that will magically appear out of no where by removing Trouba. It makes no sense what at all. I guess it could happen, but at what learning curve. You insist we can't afford Trouba, but yet here we are virtually everyone signed and ready to go and still under the cap waiting to make a move for Kane.

It makes no sense at all that highly regarded prospects won’t turn into competent second pair defenders?

What exactly are we hoping Zach Jones and Matthew Robertson turn into then?

And we can afford Trouba right this second, but once new contracts are needed for Miller, Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, etc, it won’t be affordable.

Which is why he will end up moved.

 

[Baby Punisher]

It makes no sense at all that highly regarded prospects won’t turn into competent second pair defenders?

What exactly are we hoping Zach Jones and Matthew Robertson turn into then?

And we can afford Trouba right this second, but once new contracts are needed for Miller, Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, etc, it won’t be affordable.

Which is why he will end up moved.

I'm telling you that one of the kids will go before Trouba. Bookmark the post.

 

[Chytilmania]

Not happening lol and I'm down for any SB Cash bets on it

How about getting a tattoo of Kakko’s face “wow, it was a nice season”

 

[RangersFan1994]

I bet he is traded by the regular season starts. Shocked he isn’t signed yet. Something has to be up. He does not have much leverage

 

[bhamill]

Weird how much I just read about Trouba instead of Kakko… hahaha.

 

[LOFIN]

I bet he is traded by the regular season starts. Shocked he isn’t signed yet. Something has to be up. He does not have much leverage

The agent is trying to squeeze all he can. And he can take his time. If you think these players themselves give a F about contract negotiations, they usually don't. Kakko has said he wants to continue with the Rangers. The deal will get done.

 

[NYblades]

Lack of Kaapo Kakko offer sheet not all good news for Rangers.​

Lack of Kaapo Kakko offer sheet not all good news for Rangers

 

[Crease]

Lack of Kaapo Kakko offer sheet not all good news for Rangers.​

Lack of Kaapo Kakko offer sheet not all good news for Rangers

I read this article three times and still don’t understand the point Larry is trying to make. Seems like an article written around a headline.

 

[and 99 others]

I read this article three times and still don’t understand the point Larry is trying to make. Seems like an article written around a headline.

I *think* the insinuation is that it's bad that other team's don't value Kakko enough to give him with a $4.2MM offer sheet. But he's saying it isn't inherently bad or good because there could be a number of reasons why he's not receiving offer sheets

 

[RagFinMet]

Lack of Kaapo Kakko offer sheet not all good news for Rangers.​

Lack of Kaapo Kakko offer sheet not all good news for Rangers

Lack of a Ed Jovanovski offer sheet from another hockey forum also not great news
We're stuck with him

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I *think* the insinuation is that it's bad that other team's don't value Kakko enough to give him with a $4.2MM offer sheet. But he's saying it isn't inherently bad or good because there could be a number of reasons why he's not receiving offer sheets

Not many teams can afford a $4 million cap hit on potential. He had a rough season.

He needs major work on his skating and reaction this summer. I hope for this sake that's what he's been focusing on.

 

[bbny]

The fact the Rangers don’t seem worried about an offer sheet is probably bad news. If the rumors were true (per Staple) that they floated his name some around draft time a couple of weeks ago, it probably gave the Rangers an indication about what GMs around the league think of him. Not much.

 

[Rongomania]

Lack of a Ed Jovanovski offer sheet from another hockey forum also not great news
We're stuck with him

Jeeze man the season didn't even start yet. Jovoknobski is toast if Krav doesn't break 30 pts by November.

 

[LOFIN]

The fact the Rangers don’t seem worried about an offer sheet is probably bad news. If the rumors were true (per Staple) that they floated his name some around draft time a couple of weeks ago, it probably gave the Rangers an indication about what GMs around the league think of him. Not much.

Which means you go ahead and sign him. Looking at the trade market, it would be insane to try and think of trading Kakko and getting something of value out of him. Björkstrand just got handed out for a 2nd and a 3rd.

 

[bleedblue94]

The fact the Rangers don’t seem worried about an offer sheet is probably bad news. If the rumors were true (per Staple) that they floated his name some around draft time a couple of weeks ago, it probably gave the Rangers an indication about what GMs around the league think of him. Not much.

It's a sad reality but I've been saying for months that if kakko wasn't our 2oa pick them people wouldn't be grasping at straws that he is good and would be looking to replace him in this lineup.

Certainly looks like that is the jist from other teams in the league or they would be making an effort to sign or acquire him. Sad to think that a lot of people wanted him over jack Hughes and three years later the two are on very different personal paths. Very much the same situation as Nils right now. This is a massive season for kakko before he turns into Jani Rita

 

[bbny]

Which means you go ahead and sign him. Looking at the trade market, it would be insane to try and think of trading Kakko and getting something of value out of him. Björkstrand just got handed out for a 2nd and a 3rd.

I’m thinking that’s what the Rangers learned the last few weeks, that he’s not worth much in trade. It wouldn’t surprise me if they offered him a dirt cheap bridge now either. They are feeling no pressure. I was thinking it’d probably at least be a bridge like what Chytil got. Now I’m thinking maybe it’s under $2M per.

 

[LOFIN]

I’m thinking that’s what the Rangers learned the last few weeks, that he’s not worth much in trade. It wouldn’t surprise me if they offered him a dirt cheap bridge now either. They are feeling no pressure. I was thinking it’d probably at least be a bridge like what Chytil got. Now I’m thinking maybe it’s under $2M per.

I mean the Chytil type of bridge has been talked about as a frame for the Kakko contract for months now. Now it's just the agent trying to squeeze in an extra 100k or something I guess.

Kakko has always in his Finnish interviews, been very adamant that he loves it it NY and has no desire to leave. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a bit of an outsider in the team like Jesse Puljujärvi is in Edmonton, but New York is nice and the Rangers are on the rise. Thus he probably wants to make it work.

 

[bhamill]

Hahaha. NYR are not worried about an offer sheet because it’s rare to begin with and no one wants Dolan’s money as their enemy. The NYR could absolutely match an offer, sort it out by seasons start and then plot their revenge. Kakko is 21, will still be 21 when the season starts. You can be disappointed, sure. We all would like to have seen more, but I’m not close to worried. He’s a player. Brooks is just fishing for clicks, and of course getting them.

 

[Synergy27]

I feel like this thread has sucked through the same three posts for three years now.

1. Man, this kid was so dominant in his draft year. What happened? I’m worried.

2. You’re all a bunch of impatient, immediate gratification babies. He’s right on track and if you can’t see that you don’t know what you’re looking at.

3. He’s a bust!

Moving into year four and is the same old story.

 

[2014nyr]

Dolan said that he had made up his mind to let everyone go before the Wilson incident. JD had said that he had a few respectful; conversations with Dolan about the direction the team should go in. At that time JD, Groton, and Dolan weren't on the same page. The Wilson incident happens and the shit hit the fan.

the best rangers are the rangers that have no interaction with dolan...he should stick to the knicks hes doing great there

i dont believe a word of his story - hes never thought anything over or sought input for a period of time before making a decision. it was because gorton communicated to gm's around the league the front office had no part in that humiliating whiny letter and that thin skinned hedgehog got his panties in a bunch. the fact he didnt realize how bad of a look that was is incredible...such a ridiculous person