Proposal: Jvr to the hawks...

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the proposed idea here is Komarov at 50% which would be a huge bargain

Komarov @50% would be pretty good. I think I would do Pokka + 2nd as a return for him, but i don't think the leafs management would do it because they'd be concerned with lack of good veteran men in the roster
 

Halla

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Komarov is easily a 20 goal guy on a line with toews and kane, while playing a two way game Q would foam over

This would be an under the radar potential cup winning move IMO

komarov had 19 in 67 games playing with kadri and a mix of grabner,boyes and soshnikov. yeah id say he could get 20 with toews lol.
also a guy thats gonna be top 5 in hits, and the guys love him in the locker room
 

willyjones

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komarov had 19 in 67 games playing with kadri and a mix of grabner,boyes and soshnikov. yeah id say he could get 20 with toews lol.
also a guy thats gonna be top 5 in hits, and the guys love him in the locker room

And u want to retain and trade him for essentially another conor Carrick and a conditional third?? Komarov is by no means untouchable, trade wise, but we have so many guys who can play 5to 7d no need for another one. As for picks I get we (leafs) are still a rebuilding team, but at some point besides first and seconds lou and hunter will start packaging picks for players only 50 contract spots with some key guy still unsigned.. komarov is a keeper guy hits and scored not to mention speaks 4 languages which as we seen when sosh could not speak of lick of English how valuable it was.

I think the hawks and leafs at this point just do not make good trading partners..
 

LDF

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There is ZERO need to retain

i agree, b/c it will not happen. that is unless the leaf adds the second round, maybe as a conditional, if the hawks makes the quarter final.

i see the leaf needing some cap flexibility and this will give it to them.
 

Liferleafer

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i agree, b/c it will not happen. that is unless the leaf adds the second round, maybe as a conditional, if the hawks makes the quarter final.

i see the leaf needing some cap flexibility and this will give it to them.

I think you better research the Leaf's cap for next season a little closer.
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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i agree, b/c it will not happen. that is unless the leaf adds the second round, maybe as a conditional, if the hawks makes the quarter final.

i see the leaf needing some cap flexibility and this will give it to them.

The Leafs have BOATLOADS of cap flexibility after this season
 

Doc300c

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i agree, b/c it will not happen. that is unless the leaf adds the second round, maybe as a conditional, if the hawks makes the quarter final.

i see the leaf needing some cap flexibility and this will give it to them.

Are you really suggesting this?

Leafs
Pokka

Hawks
Komorov @ 50%
2nd Round pick

Please tell me you're confused.
 

SAADfather

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he is a lot better than panik, a fringe NHLer, and look what he has done with Toews. Leafs could easily retain on komarov to make it a 1.475 hit, and it would be closer to 1.1 now with nearly 1/4 of the season finished

Panik isn't at all a "fringe NHL" player. I mean I get that you wanna justify trading him for an AHL player last season but it's pretty clear that Panik solidified himself as a regular NHL player this year. He's a very good bottom 6 player who's meshed with with Toews at points but just does not play well with Kane at all. Completely different play styles.

Not interested in the Komorov deal as we'd still have to move out cap to add him in at 50%. Most logical player to movie out would be Kruger and I wouldn't have any interest in that at the time just to add Komorov. Now if we're talking about the Pokka for Kapenen deal that was talked about amongst leaf fans before the year, I'm on board for that one.
 

Hawkaholic

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Panik isn't at all a "fringe NHL" player. I mean I get that you wanna justify trading him for an AHL player last season but it's pretty clear that Panik solidified himself as a regular NHL player this year. He's a very good bottom 6 player who's meshed with with Toews at points but just does not play well with Kane at all. Completely different play styles.

Not interested in the Komorov deal as we'd still have to move out cap to add him in at 50%. Most logical player to movie out would be Kruger and I wouldn't have any interest in that at the time just to add Komorov. Now if we're talking about the Pokka for Kapenen deal that was talked about amongst leaf fans before the year, I'm on board for that one.

An NHL regular, yes. A very good bottom 6er? Disagree.
 

Randy Randerson

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Panik isn't at all a "fringe NHL" player. I mean I get that you wanna justify trading him for an AHL player last season but it's pretty clear that Panik solidified himself as a regular NHL player this year. He's a very good bottom 6 player who's meshed with with Toews at points but just does not play well with Kane at all. Completely different play styles.

Not interested in the Komorov deal as we'd still have to move out cap to add him in at 50%. Most logical player to movie out would be Kruger and I wouldn't have any interest in that at the time just to add Komorov. Now if we're talking about the Pokka for Kapenen deal that was talked about amongst leaf fans before the year, I'm on board for that one.

Panik's underlying metrics for this year aren't very good, near the bottom of the team in FF%, middling CF%, shooting over 11% compared to a career under 8% which might indicate that what he's doing offensively isn't sustainable (didn't he start the season like pt/g until the 10ish game mark riding like a 35% shooting percentage?) and seems to be a defensive drag on linemates with a bad GArelTM/60 and bad CARelTM/60. He also gets a pretty favourable usage with a 36.7OFZ%, 24.5DFZ% and 38.9NZS%. Nothing attrocious, but doesn't jump off the page as a guy who's really contributing in a vaccuum

It's good that he's looked good in a very favourable situation playing with a top centre, but I don't know that he's solidified his NHL spot with 19 games of play, especially given that the only place he's really found success if in that favourable spot. I'd like to see him play 20-30 games in the bottom 6 to see how he fares

Not saying you should trade for Komarov either, but I could see the Hawks needing an upgrade

at this point I would say that we will likely keep Kapanen over Pokka
 

LDF

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Why do we need cap help now? Not like we will be loading up for a playoff run....

a fair question, according to rumors and sports site, it was mention that your team GM was looking for a trade,

now one source mention that the team really doesn't have much wiggle room to make a last minute trade, if needed to help them in the playoff.

that is why i am suggestively making this scenario.
 

Menzinger

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make the 3rd conditional in that it turns to a 2nd if the hawks make it to at least the conference finals and its a deal

That deal still seems pretty underwhelming. Ie I'd expect he Leafs could get a similar offer in terms of value from other teams.

If the Leafs were to retain 50% of Leo's salary there would need to be an decent sweetener
 

LDF

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Am I missing something? Because according to capfriendly none of Robidas, Hornton, or lupul are on LTIR, and only on IR

well i looked at capfriendly as suggested, according to that, you are correct.

i was just repeating the sports media sites.

thanks for that correction
 

Halla

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Panik isn't at all a "fringe NHL" player. I mean I get that you wanna justify trading him for an AHL player last season but it's pretty clear that Panik solidified himself as a regular NHL player this year. He's a very good bottom 6 player who's meshed with with Toews at points but just does not play well with Kane at all. Completely different play styles.

Not interested in the Komorov deal as we'd still have to move out cap to add him in at 50%. Most logical player to movie out would be Kruger and I wouldn't have any interest in that at the time just to add Komorov. Now if we're talking about the Pokka for Kapenen deal that was talked about amongst leaf fans before the year, I'm on board for that one.

that ship sailed a long time ago, but im sure you are well aware of that. 8g/14pts in 14 games as a 20 year old in the AHL...why would we trade him for someone the hawks are gonna lose in the exp. draft?
 

Halla

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well i looked at capfriendly as suggested, according to that, you are correct.

i was just repeating the sports media sites.

thanks for that correction

the leafs havent even used any of their LTIR space (13.5 mil)
they will have 20M + 10 potential LTIR space nect year to sign zaitsev,brown,hyman,corrado. That should cost 7-8.
 

Halla

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That deal still seems pretty underwhelming. Ie I'd expect he Leafs could get a similar offer in terms of value from other teams.

If the Leafs were to retain 50% of Leo's salary there would need to be an decent sweetener

I still think Pokka is one of the better RHD prospects around, the only reason he may be in play is because the hawks are near 100% likely to lose him to vegas.

I wouldnt mind a komarov deal because Leipsic and Rychel need to be on the team next year or waived, and Kapanen is making a case as well.

JVR-Bozak-Marner
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Leipsic -Kadri-Brown
Rychel-Gauthier-Martin
 

Bubba88

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Leafs could get a better return for Komarov while not retaining on him... Hawks and Leafs won't trade for Top9 Players or Vets.
 

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