ThatSaid
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Yes. But Toronto won't pull the trigger on something like that, even though I think that contract on retention would warrant a huge return.
If they get a good return? They gain a tonne of cap space next year so 2.25M wont be a burden.
i'm glad you started this thread because i mostly ignored JVR trade threads until it happened to us. I can't figure out how a guy with his tires pumped so hard by the fanbase is offered up so often. Maybe now I'll get a coherent answer!
I wouldn't do it. for my perspective the Wild would be giving up a young d with a lot of prime years left for a guy we'd have to retain (at a poor value contract) in a couple years or replace likely with another forward in roughly the same career status AND replace that top four D...again likely with someone older and more expensive if we want to compete.
It might be alright if we didn't already have Parise and Suter signed with a bunch of poor value years.
I wouldn't do it. for my perspective the Wild would be giving up a young d with a lot of prime years left for a guy we'd have to retain (at a poor value contract) in a couple years or replace likely with another forward in roughly the same career status AND replace that top four D...again likely with someone older and more expensive if we want to compete.
It might be alright if we didn't already have Parise and Suter signed with a bunch of poor value years.
ThatSaid
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Not sure this is the right forum, but I'd probably throw up Schmaltz, Pokka, and a 2nd round pick for him at 50% retained. I"m not even sure that's enough, but it's what the Hawks could afford.
Edit: I'd even go as far as to offer Pokka and Forsling + a 2nd if you're looking only for D. I'll probably be crucified for even suggesting it by fellow Hawks fans. But to get a guy like JvR on that kind of contract? It would be manna from heaven for the Hawks.
Edit: I'd even go as far as to offer Pokka and Forsling + a 2nd if you're looking only for D. I'll probably be crucified for even suggesting it by fellow Hawks fans. But to get a guy like JvR on that kind of contract? It would be manna from heaven for the Hawks.
Idk y either. Most Leaf fans just want assets. They dont realize they need a guy like him to shelter Marner, Nylander etc. Not having guys like him is why ****ed over the Oilers in my opinion.
exactly what i find confusing. he seems like a ideal fit for a skilled top six (still in his prime) forward to mentor the youth they have coming up.
Might want to ask the trade board.
That'll fetch a pretty penny from a contender. JVR is a player that can get you over the hump. Can see STL trading for him.
I didn't think a team as young as the Leafs with so many expendable aging vets would be all that worried about cap space in the next two years. Michalek might get bought out? Then you have Laich's 4.5M off the books at the end of the season, Greening's 2.65M and Holland RFA at 1.3M. On defense you have Robidas' 3M, he's 39 how many more seasons does he realistically play? And would any of them even be with the Leafs?
UFA's after this season: Laich, Michalek, Greening, Robidas, Polak, Hunwick.
RFA's: Holland, Cowen, Corrado.
Not really much of anything special to worry about short term.
Following years UFA's (2017-18): Lupul, JVR, Bozak, Komarov
RFA's: Nylander, Leivo, Marincin, Carrick.
Is Lupul gone after his contract ends? Makes less money? JVR is either TDL bait or gone before that most likely as they won't let him reach UFA. Bozak might get re-upped as a 3C? Not sure about him. Komarov isn't making that much for what he can bring, maybe he sticks for a short term contract. Nylander could make 3.5-6M AAV, the rest don't seem like they'll take up much of a chunk of the cap.
Basically what I'm saying here is, trading JVR to free up cap space doesn't make much sense. Trading him for a high quality young defensive asset is the only reason he would be moved before he reaches the TDL in his UFA year when they'll be forced to get whatever they can for him. I'm not familiar with Horton's situation, is he on LTIR? Never playing again? Dead cap space until 2020?
I read the post wrong, oh well I agree with you. Still don't think they need to retain on him though.
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Habsfan2731
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JVR at 50% would get a massive return.
Young potential top 6 forward + young potential top 4 D + 1st at least IMO. Maybe one other piece, a secondary "B" prospect if anything.
Young potential top 6 forward + young potential top 4 D + 1st at least IMO. Maybe one other piece, a secondary "B" prospect if anything.
JohnnyO
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I would be very down for some kind of deal like this.
JVR would cost a pretty penny alone, but for $2.125 the return would have to be great. I would target a young top 4 RHD with upside.
JVR would cost a pretty penny alone, but for $2.125 the return would have to be great. I would target a young top 4 RHD with upside.
mouser
Business of Hockey
If Toronto wanted to trade JVR with retention then the time to do that would be at the TDL, not now. Right now there's little reason to justify retaining. At least at the TDL there could be a team that needs the retention to fit him into their cap.
Of course TDL deals don't usually return established roster players.
Of course TDL deals don't usually return established roster players.
He is on LTIRetired. He is not playing another NHL game. He does not cost a penny in real dollars and we don't have to worry of his CAP Hit.
Slightly more than JVR without retention? Honestly, what team is looking at JVR and saying "Yeah, not at that salary... But if you retained 50% then we would give you a boatload." The only teams where that may be true are the teams who don't really have the assets that one would hope to upgrade to by retaining.
For a cap ceiling team like the Hawks, that's some added value. But for the Canucks, I wouldn't think the 2 million retained would be worth the extra assets. 2 million in cap space is worth different things to different clubs. I'd prefer to pay the lesser, un-retained price.
DopeyFish
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Retention on this type of player is worth it to contenders...
But if you're Toronto, should you? They do have an extremely high amount of talent in their prospects, but I think there's a good chance JVR re-signs with toronto long term afterwards and Leafs can afford it... and they'll need a higher paying contract in 2 years to make floor. Then they could maximize his return value if they start pressing against the cap to remain competitive.
But if you're Toronto, should you? They do have an extremely high amount of talent in their prospects, but I think there's a good chance JVR re-signs with toronto long term afterwards and Leafs can afford it... and they'll need a higher paying contract in 2 years to make floor. Then they could maximize his return value if they start pressing against the cap to remain competitive.
Rorschach
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Basically you get more futures. The teams that need a half-off complimentary player would be contenders. They all need to keep their defensemen.
Why would we need to retain on JVR? That's a very moveable contract and if a trading partner still wants us to retain they can FO.
Retaining usually occurs with challenging/long-term contracts.
Why why why does this thread exist past one post?
Why why why does this thread exist past one post?
mouser
Business of Hockey
He costs millions in real dollars--the Leafs are still paying his salary. And his cap hit can be replaced to some degree by LTIR, but teams never get quite 100% from LTIR. Plus LTIR can create offseason cap issues and performance bonus carryover problems.
Drew311
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Why did the Yotes retain on Yandle? For extra value. Now they have a core piece in Duclair. With so many contenders up against the cap, getting a 1st line LW for the price of a 3rd liner is massive. Leafs would get a couple of top prospects from a desperate team.
Now the question is would they do it? Not likely, as I think they want to see how their team shapes out this year and I think JVR is on the bubble right now as far as being part of the Shanaplan. He looked fantastic last season under Babcock before he got hurt. He proved his past production was not because of Kessel and was starting to embrace a leadership role. If he's going to be moved it will be at the TDL when teams are looking for impact players at discounted cap hits.
