If you're so worried about the cap, why not throw Schenn in?
Regardless, the base is there I think. Semantics like that can be worked out.
I was asking if that's what you were offering that.If you're so worried about the cap, why not throw Schenn in?
Nylander is my favorite player on the team. I would be devastated to lose him. (I would much rather say goodbye to Mitch) This is a deal made if the writing was on the wall.
So Nylander as a > 1ppg winger is going to get 8x9-10M $, and that's it? I honestly think people are underestimating (dramatically) the impact of the rising Cap that is in the pipeline. Nylander can get 8x$12M... if he wants it. He might trade some $$$ off vs. competitive status. That's up to him. We're not going to land anywhere that measures on a "competitive status" scale.
i'm comfortable saying Nylander is a level above Forsberg. A lot of that is based on eye test but his production has also been more consistent albeit with higher level talent around him. To my eye he's a smoother and more creative player. He's also more durable and younger.
A few quick points here:
I think the ceiling on the contract the Preds hand to anybody who isn't McDavid/Draisatl level is around... $9.058M... i.e. just below what Josi makes. Or at least, I would have said that in the Poile days. It is possible that Trotz would blow up that roadblock. But he has also spoken against big long-term contracts too, so I'm thinking Nylander at his age still isn't the guy he uses the detonator on?
If Nylander was a center he would absolutely break that line, but with him being a winger I don't know.I think the ceiling on the contract the Preds hand to anybody who isn't McDavid/Draisatl level is around... $9.058M... i.e. just below what Josi makes. Or at least, I would have said that in the Poile days. It is possible that Trotz would blow up that roadblock. But he has also spoken against big long-term contracts too, so I'm thinking Nylander at his age still isn't the guy he uses the detonator on?
I just think Nylander is worth more like $12M AAV on the open market. Which I don't believe the Preds would dish out.
I think most of my Forsberg vs. Nylander comments are based more on "over-rating" Forsberg than on "under-rating" Nylander. I honestly think Forsberg has the skillset to be a 100-pt level player in the NHL... just... injuries and lack of team support for that have held him back. So anytime I make that comparison, it's actually because I think Forsberg is a lot better than most people probably think he is. It's not a knock on Nylander, who I agree has also pushed himself up to that level.
Which then still comes back to why I think that's not the player they make the Saros trade for. If - big "IF" - they ever trade Saros, it's not going to be for a guy who is going on a "retirement contract", unless it's a megastar (which wouldn't be available anyway). Otherwise, it's for a younger player with that potential... or... just keep Saros who is a similar level "star" in his own right, at the goaltending position.
Well trading/signing Nylander says to me you want to get this transition done quick and want to win, but at the same time trading Saros says to me that Trotz is looking for a deeper more long term rebuild where you struggle for a couple of years until Askarov is ready.
To me, "signing" (NOT trading for!) Nylander is more of a "target of opportunity". Which if you project to having the Cap space available to allocate to, and if you don't think you'll ever be able to get anybody better... could still make sense. But my own Cap projections say to me we won't have that space available... although it would definitely change a lot if we made a couple other TDL trades or didn't sign Novak/Carrier. So it's still the kind of thing that COULD open up...
