Luke DeCock: Justin Faulk Speculation

[spockBokk]

This is top 5 team in the league

Dzingel/ Aho/ Kase
NN/ Staal/ TT
McGinn/ Haula/ Svech
Martinook/ Wallmark/ Foegele

Slavin/ Hamilton
Gardiner/ Pesce
Fleury/ TVR

Necas?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I agree on the trade part of its 1 for 1.

Faulk makes $6m right now so it seems odd he’d not want to go UFA vs signing that with Anaheim.

After seeing another UFA of similar caliber sign for 2/3 of that? He might want to get while the getting is good. $36m is nothing to sneeze at

 

[Svechhammer]

After seeing another UFA of similar caliber sign for 2/3 of that? He might want to get while the getting is good. $36m is nothing to sneeze at

Yeah I was gonna say, after this year's FA mess, if I were a player and a team was offering to pay me now, I don't know if I am going to say no

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I agree on the trade part of its 1 for 1.

Faulk makes $6m right now so it seems odd he’d not want to go UFA vs signing that with Anaheim.

Well, in that he’s making $6m this year on the final year of a backloaded deal, sure. But his AAV is $4.8m and his stock has taken a hit from where it was 2 years ago. $30m guaranteed isn’t bad at all. Jim Benning’s already spent all the money he can on UFA defensemen, so probably can’t bank on Myers money.

 

[GoldiFox]

5v5 Goals Per 60 over the past 2 seasons (>1000 minutes):
1) Auston Matthews - 1.51 G/60
2) Viktor Arvidsson - 1.44 G/60
3) Alex Ovechkin - 1.37 G/60
4) Ondrej Kase - 1.37 G/60

Just above Gallagher (1.32), Tavares (1.27), Kucherov (1.5), Atkinson (1.22), McDavid (1.2) and DeBrincat (1.2)

 

[Svechhammer]

Necas?

Where would he fit in that lineup?

 

[AD Skinner]

Looks like Kase is exactly the kind of player the borg would covet. Young, already signed to a cheap deal, and ready to break out. 20 goals in 30 games while only averaging 15 minutes a night

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I can't imagine we're actually getting Kase.

 

[Canes]

I think Kase could be a realistic return but I imagine we would be sending more than Faulk back. Faulk for Kase would be the base of a 4 or 5 asset deal.

 

[Chrispy]

I can't imagine we're actually getting Kase.

It's hard to compare to nino for Rask because that came out of nowhere in terms of media.

This is slowly building with many disbelieving it. I think we will see a forward going back as mentioned before but this could be the foundation of the deal

 

[Svechhammer]

5v5 Goals Per 60 over the past 2 seasons (>1000 minutes):
1) Auston Matthews - 1.51 G/60
2) Viktor Arvidsson - 1.44 G/60
3) Alex Ovechkin - 1.37 G/60
4) Ondrej Kase - 1.37 G/60

Just above Gallagher (1.32), Tavares (1.27), Kucherov (1.5), Atkinson (1.22), McDavid (1.2) and DeBrincat (1.2)

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well, in that he’s making $6m this year on the final year of a backloaded deal, sure. But his AAV is $4.8m and his stock has taken a hit from where it was 2 years ago. $30m guaranteed isn’t bad at all. Jim Benning’s already spent all the money he can on UFA defensemen, so probably can’t bank on Myers money.

True, but he also has to have an incentive to spend 6 years on a team that was on his no trade list.

Anything is possible though. I agree though, still won’t believe Kase for Faulk until it’s official.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Can Kase stay healthy? Heck can play 70 games in a season? How many more concussions can he realistically handle?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

True, but he also has to have an incentive to spend 6 years on a team that was on his no trade list.

Anything is possible though. I agree though, still won’t believe Kase for Faulk until it’s official.

I think this gets vetoed then we have damage control to do with Faulk.

I have no doubt that this leaking so publicly is no accident. Probably puts more pressure on Faulk to waive.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Can Kase stay healthy? Heck can play 70 games in a season? How many more concussions can he realistically handle?

Considering that we were talking about trading Faulk for picks a few days ago, probably worth the risk.

 

[bleedgreen]

Why not? Kase has injury troubles and they have a bunch of young forwards.

We underrate Faulks value as much as the main board does. Everyone overrates Kase because he’s a young scoring forward. He’s a great add but as mentioned if he even plays a full season we’re lucky.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I think this gets vetoed then we have damage control to do with Faulk.

I have no doubt that this leaking so publicly is no accident. Probably puts more pressure on Faulk to waive.

I doubt there would be a dollar amount reported if there weren't a deal agreed in principle in this case.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think this gets vetoed then we have damage control to do with Faulk.

I have no doubt that this leaking so publicly is no accident. Probably puts more pressure on Faulk to waive.

Not to mention how some fans will feel about Faulk if he refuses to waive. I remember how some fans were pissed at Whitney for refusing to waive and could see that here, even if I don’t agree with that.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I doubt there would be a dollar amount reported if there weren't a deal agreed in principle in this case.

The dollar amount was being reported by a fake Twitter account that "reported" that Brayden Point was signed 3 weeks ago. Unless there's something else out there I'm not privy to.

 

[Svechhammer]

If this happens, GMBC deserves the benefit of the doubt for everything they do for a while going forward

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Not to mention how some fans will feel about Faulk if he refuses to waive. I remember how some fans were pissed at Whitney for refusing to waive and could see that here, even if I don’t agree with that.

Yep, was one of them. Won't be for Faulk. NTCs are part of the negotiation of the contract. Can't be mad at the guy for not just giving it up voluntarily whenever asked - otherwise what even is it?

 

[My Special Purpose]

I still think we're better off with him than without him

OK, I'm really not trying to be a dick here, but this is the line of thinking that has me confused and angry. What is your actual point when you say that the Canes would be better off with him than without him? Are you hoping he doesn't die tonight? Because I agree, that would suck. Are you hoping they don't keep him locked in the basement at PNC for the entire season? Because again, I'd agree with that.

Otherwise, that statement makes *zero* sense. The Canes are better off with *every single one* of their players than they are without them. The Canes are better off with Haydn Fleury than they are without him. They are better off with Spencer Smallman than they are without him. It means literally nothing. It is a false equivalence.

Are you saying there is nothing the Canes can do with Justin Faulk's current contract that would make them a better team, other than to allow him to play for the Carolina Hurricanes? What if they traded him for Connor McDavid? Surely, in that case, they'd be better off without him than they would be with him, no?

Your statement only makes sense if it's put into context of what the Hurricanes *replace* Justin Faulk with. Saying we're better off with Faulk than without him is a complete strawman that brings absolutely nothing to the conversation. Those aren't the two choices. The two choices are Justin Faulk at $6 million in the final year of his contract ($4.833 cap hit) *or* what they get in return for Justin Faulk. There's simply *no way* to assume we're better of with Faulk than we are without him *until we know what we get in return*.

This same line of thinking drove me nuts when it was used on Tim Gleason, Tuomo Ruutu, Eric Staal, and literally *every* other player who left the organization. It's simply a nothing argument.

Unless I'm missing something. In which case, I apologize profusely.

 

[A Star is Burns]

If this happens, GMBC deserves the benefit of the doubt for everything they do for a while going forward

Um, just now if this goes through?

 

[DaveG]

Guys, let's wait for a credible source to post info on this, please.
IncarceratedBob is about as far from a legit source as it gets without being Eklund. And I've never even heard of this other one.

 

[My Special Purpose]

If they manage to pull this off, we have to be considered at the forefront of the analytical community in hockey.

We already are. I'm just wondering if GMs are going to stop answering our calls. It's getting close to this. For instance, if I'm the Raiders, and Bill Belichick is on the phone, I'm hanging up.

True, but he also has to have an incentive to spend 6 years on a team that was on his no trade list.

OK, the Hurricanes have a list of 15 teams to which Justin Faulk can be traded without his approval. That's different than a no-trade list. It's very possible -- probable even -- that Faulk wouldn't mind being traded to another batch of clubs, but he only *had* to list 15 teams. In other words, the way Faulk's list works doesn't mean the *other* 15 teams are necessarily no-gos for him.