Value of: Justin Barron for a F

[pth2]

Montreal has a *lot* of young D, including RD Mailloux who is doing well in the AHL and RD Reinbacher who they invested a top 5 draft position in.

Currently, with Savard and Kovacevic doing ok, and Guhle showing the ability to play RD, I wonder if Justin Barron might be available. He's still very raw, but also has high end offensive skills, and has 29 points in his first 84 NHL games. I see his upside as being Petry in his prime, with a floor of the Hainsey/Beaulieu type (offensively gifted but never a solid proposition in his zone).

Montreal is looking at ways to convert their relative richness in D into more skill up front (like the Romanov-Dach series of deals) and yesterday GM Kent Hughes mentionned this kind of deal as being the way forward to add skill to the forward corps.

So, which reasonably skilled forwards might be available for a 6'2 22 year old skilled RD ? I'm assuming Montreal might add spare parts or take some back, I'm not interested in balancing out value so much as who might be obtained (ie, who adds a 2nd rounder is secondary)

Holtz from NJ ?
Greig from Ottawa ?
Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration if he'd been willing to sign in Canada (apparently he wasn't)
Coronato, so Calgary can have some future on D once the UFAs are moved out ?

Let's go off the assumption the main piece has to be from the 2018 draft or later - Montreal is looking for a lateral move for a similar age forward. Deal could take place any time from now until the draft.

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[The Red Mile]

Pelletier for Barron? Straight up?

 

[TS Quint]

"Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration" .......I love Habs fans.

 

[pth2]

Pelletier for Barron? Straight up?

Until Pelletier plays, that's a risky proposition for Montreal, it would need to be balanced out, but as key components It could work.

 

[BleedBlue14]

You seem to be shopping in the wrong section

 

[Forge]

Holtz from NJ ?

As a devils fan, in a vacuum, this is fine.

However the devils are just locked up on the right side. Dougie has multiple years left, Marino has 3 more years after this one, Nemec looks legit. And then they have Casey waiting in the wings.

So I just can't see it being a trade the devils would make.

 

[HBK27]

Holtz from NJ ?

Don't see any incentive from NJ to make a deal like this when they already have Nemec, Hamilton and Marino on the right side - the latter two of which are still signed for 3 more seasons after this one.

Devils need Holtz to be a top 6 W to go along with Bratt, Meier & Mercer as I don't think they'll wind up extending Toffoli and there's not much in the pipeline beyond Gritsyuk, who can't come over for a couple seasons anyway.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Montreal has a *lot* of young D, including RD Mailloux who is doing well in the AHL and RD Reinbacher who they invested a top 5 draft position in.

Currently, with Savard and Kovacevic doing ok, and Guhle showing the ability to play RD, I wonder if Justin Barron might be available. He's still very raw, but also has high end offensive skills, and has 29 points in his first 84 NHL games. I see his upside as being Petry in his prime, with a floor of the Hainsey/Beaulieu type (offensively gifted but never a solid proposition in his zone).

Montreal is looking at ways to convert their relative richness in D into more skill up front (like the Romanov-Dach series of deals) and yesterday GM Kent Hughes mentionned this kind of deal as being the way forward to add skill to the forward corps.

So, which reasonably skilled forwards might be available for a 6'2 22 year old skilled RD ? I'm assuming Montreal might add spare parts or take some back, I'm not interested in balancing out value so much as who might be obtained (ie, who adds a 2nd rounder is secondary)

Holtz from NJ ?
Greig from Ottawa ?
Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration if he'd been willing to sign in Canada (apparently he wasn't)
Coronato, so Calgary can have some future on D once the UFAs are moved out ?

Let's go off the assumption the main piece has to be from the 2018 draft or later - Montreal is looking for a lateral move for a similar age forward. Deal could take place any time from now until the draft.

Pitt/Toronto are what I really remember of Hainsey and I'm honestly floored by this comparison, he was basically a stay at home D from from Carolina on and was really solid in his own end.

On Barron,I don't think he fetches anything worthwhile on his own but I don't think he has a future in Montreal with Mailloux and Reinbacher. Hopefully someone likes him in a package for an impact forward

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

And he's just as good defensively as Sean Monahan!

 

[pth2]

You seem to be shopping in the wrong section

Hey, I'm asking. If you think I'm aiming too high, please make a case for someone who'd be more realistic.

Pitt/Toronto are what I really remember of Hainsey and I'm honestly floored by this comparison, he was basically a stay at home D from from Carolina on and was really solid in his own end.

On Barron,I don't think he fetches anything worthwhile on his own but I don't think he has a future in Montreal with Mailloux and Reinbacher. Hopefully someone likes him in a package for an impact forward

Well, that's what he was initially as a young Hab, but most of his NHL career was after that so he might well have evolved.

 

[Faceboner]

"Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration" .......I love Habs fans.

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

 

[Jared Dunn]

Well, that's what he was initially as a young Hab, but most of his NHL career was after that so he might well have evolved.

Definitely settled into being more of a defensive D, I don't know if Barron has the IQ for that. I think there's a good chance they move Savard at the deadline so I think a Barron move is more of an offseason thing

EDIT: I only just noticed the names suggested, Greig and especially Gauthier are pretty out to lunch - Barron is not in that value sphere

 

[Hunter368]

Jets could use more RHD prospect depth, I don't consider Barron a proven NHL player at this early stage. I could see the Jets offering Chaz Lucius, who is still a promising prospect, similar draft position, two years younger then Barron, neither player is a blue chip prospect, both have similar potential (2nd pairing D & 2nd line forward).

 

[Jared Dunn]

Jets could use more RHD prospect depth, I don't consider Barron a proven NHL player at this early stage. I could see the Jets offering Chaz Lucius, who is still a promising prospect, similar draft position, two years younger then Barron, neither player is a blue chip prospect, both have similar potential (2nd pairing D & 2nd line forward).

I would do that, Barron Bros LTD

 

[CTHabsfan]

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

Would that have been Armia's wife saying he was worth a 1st? I don't see anyone expecting the Habs to get a 1st-round pick for Armia.

 

[Romang67]

He's probably not going to be much of a difference maker this season. Will he be a full-time player for the Habs next season, or will he be on waivers?

 

[pth2]

Would that have been Armia's wife saying he was worth a 1st? I don't see anyone expecting the Habs to get a 1st-round pick for Armia.

I mean, the guy was on waivers (and cleared). Recently.

Anyone expecting much of anything is way out there. Despite some nice play, at this point, I'd be surprised if anyone would claim him given he has next season still at 3.4.

He's probably not going to be much of a difference maker this season. Will he be a full-time player for the Habs next season, or will he be on waivers?

Well, some D will be moved before anyone is on waivers, he's played a lot of time on the top-4 already, but Montreal has a surplus of young D so someone's going to get traded.

The only current D I could see end up on waivers is Kovasevic, and even then I think someone would offer a pick for him before it got to that.

 

[Jared Dunn]

He's probably not going to be much of a difference maker this season. Will he be a full-time player for the Habs next season, or will he be on waivers?

Zero chance they would waive him. I think he should play some games in Laval for the time being though. Agree not much of a difference maker this year but he's as good or better than what many teams are icing on their bottom pair

 

[pth2]

Jets could use more RHD prospect depth, I don't consider Barron a proven NHL player at this early stage. I could see the Jets offering Chaz Lucius, who is still a promising prospect, similar draft position, two years younger then Barron, neither player is a blue chip prospect, both have similar potential (2nd pairing D & 2nd line forward).

That could make sense for both teams.

 

[Cenzo_]

Way overvalue and overestimate their players I saw someone say that armia was worth a first

Armia is definitely worth a 1st




A 1st class ticket to which ever city willing to take him

 

[Chose]

@OP, the RHD is still pretty weak, and even though Mailloux & Reinbacher will probably replace Barron at some point, I don't think we are there yet.

Our surplus is more in LHD, where it is very crowded.

Shouldn't management aim at cashing in on a young established LHD ?
I know this will not be popular, but Ghule has a strong value now that he is proven. Similar to the romanov trade. It is hard to trade an unproven Hutson or Engstrom while they haven't proven success in the NHL, but it is way easier to trade an estasblished successful player.

Ghule would be returning more than Romanov, so we could be talking about a real return, something like Zegras. All while still having Matheson, Hutson, Strubble, Engstrom, Xhekaj to build a decent/good left side of defense within 2 years...

 

[Faceboner]

Would that have been Armia's wife saying he was worth a 1st? I don't see anyone expecting the Habs to get a 1st-round pick for Armia.

Honestly could have been the takes from you guys as a fan base is a 50-50 you either hate some players or absolutely love em no matter what

 

[pth2]

@OP, the RHD is still pretty weak, and even though Mailloux & Reinbacher will probably replace Barron at some point, I don't think we are there yet.

Our surplus is more in LHD, where it is very crowded.

Shouldn't management aim at cashing in on a young established LHD ?
I know this will not be popular, but Ghule has a strong value now that he is proven. Similar to the romanov trade. It is hard to trade an unproven Hutson or Engstrom while they haven't proven success in the NHL, but it is way easier to trade an estasblished successful player.

Ghule would be returning more than Romanov, so we could be talking about a real return, something like Zegras. All while still having Matheson, Hutson, Strubble, Engstrom, Xhekaj to build a decent/good left side of defense...

Well, I figure Guhle can play either side, and Reinbacher has a management team that invested heavily in him so they have to believe in him.

And Barron, to me, fit into the "proven enough to have value" category without being the cornerstone I see Guhle becoming over the next decade.

 

[Perratrooper]

Oskar Olausson from Colorado for Barron

 

[Faceboner]

Montreal has a *lot* of young D, including RD Mailloux who is doing well in the AHL and RD Reinbacher who they invested a top 5 draft position in.

Currently, with Savard and Kovacevic doing ok, and Guhle showing the ability to play RD, I wonder if Justin Barron might be available. He's still very raw, but also has high end offensive skills, and has 29 points in his first 84 NHL games. I see his upside as being Petry in his prime, with a floor of the Hainsey/Beaulieu type (offensively gifted but never a solid proposition in his zone).

Montreal is looking at ways to convert their relative richness in D into more skill up front (like the Romanov-Dach series of deals) and yesterday GM Kent Hughes mentionned this kind of deal as being the way forward to add skill to the forward corps.

So, which reasonably skilled forwards might be available for a 6'2 22 year old skilled RD ? I'm assuming Montreal might add spare parts or take some back, I'm not interested in balancing out value so much as who might be obtained (ie, who adds a 2nd rounder is secondary)

Holtz from NJ ?
Greig from Ottawa ?
Cutter Gauthier might have been a consideration if he'd been willing to sign in Canada (apparently he wasn't)
Coronato, so Calgary can have some future on D once the UFAs are moved out ?

Let's go off the assumption the main piece has to be from the 2018 draft or later - Montreal is looking for a lateral move for a similar age forward. Deal could take place any time from now until the draft.

A player like Holtz makes sense unfortunately NJ doesn't need defense I would look at the preds, oil, sharks or the pens maybe you could get lysell out of Boston.