Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

Where would you prefer Slaf spend his 23-24 season?


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Kennerback

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There's a lengthy thread on the main board talking about whether slafkovsky is the worst #1 of all time.

Just the idea of creating a thread like that about any 19 year old is so ludicrous.
It’s going to make it extra delicious when he beats their team. 😋
 

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People have to learn that 19 year olds are not a finished product. Moreover, development isn’t linear. There will be steps backwards and forward.

Fortunately, we have a staff that’s inifinitely better at developing players than we’ve had in a long time. Slaf is developing really nicely. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him put up 60+ points next year.
He can’t be the only “big” player on his line or he will always be targeted. We need another skilled giant imo
 

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Agree, we can all expect 60 pts from him next year. I think he can easily put 20 goals and 40 assists. Maybe more goals, maybe less assists, but he have the elite playmaking in him and have the shot of a elite goalscorer aswell.
We also expected 40 goals from Caufield this year. Sometime we set our expectations a bit high.
 
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We also expected 40 goals from Caufield this year. Sometime we set our expectations a bit high.
It's surprisingly still somewhat within reach. He'd need 23 goals in 32 games which is a 59 goal pace, he's got 6 in his last 9 which is a 55 goal pace. And has had streaks of 30ish games where he's been close to that pace, for example when MSL was first hired he had 22 in 37, to start last year he had 19 in 32. He most likely falls short, but I could see him getting close enough to make it interesting.
 

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We also expected 40 goals from Caufield this year. Sometime we set our expectations a bit high.
He should've hit 40. The underlying numbers were there. At one point midyear his shooting percentage was under 7... that's just not normal.

It's surprisingly still somewhat within reach. He'd need 23 goals in 32 games which is a 59 goal pace, he's got 6 in his last 9 which is a 55 goal pace. And has had streaks of 30ish games where he's been close to that pace, for example when MSL was first hired he had 22 in 37, to start last year he had 19 in 32. He most likely falls short, but I could see him getting close enough to make it interesting.
No goals in his last two make it very difficult (it was already going to be difficult.) A shame.

But, no biggie in the grand scheme of things. I'll give him a mulligan this year because the underlying numbers were there. The shooting percentage was flukey and is unlikley to be repeated. He SHOULD score at least 40 next year.
 
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He should've hit 40. The underlying numbers were there. At one point midyear his shooting percentage was under 7... that's just not normal.


No goals in his last two make it very difficult (it was already going to be difficult.) A shame.

But, no biggie in the grand scheme of things. I'll give him a mulligan this year because the underlying numbers were there. The shooting percentage was flukey and is unlikley to be repeated. He SHOULD score at least 40 next year.
But 30-35 is still very good and in line with his salary, plus he's a better all around hockey player than he was.
 

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But 30-35 is still very good and in line with his salary, plus he's a better all around hockey player than he was.
30 is good for a young player like that. But... he scored 48 in his first 82 under MSL. And with his metrics, I had expected him to be 40+. It's a disappointing year from that perspective. But to be fair to him, he was coming off shoulder surgery. Maybe that had an effect.

Either way, my expectations are 40+ next year. I'm hoping for 50.

As for Slaf (to get back on topic) I'd be very happy with 60 points and 20 goals. Anything beyond that is gravy.
 
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The magic ingredient we couldn't see from our TVs: Slaf's work ethic and drive to succeed. Those were the qualities that bumped him up to #1OA and will ultimately determine how far he goes.
Absolutely agree............HuGo told us as much when the kid was drafted.
It does seem to have been a weaker draft class, sorry Shayne, it just was, and taking a project on like this, with so much media attention, has made Slaf a real target.

They said he would morph into a very good player with time, and he is making it happen......great to see this kid so engaged. This is where we see MSL as a very good coach for this situation.....
 

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The magic ingredient we couldn't see from our TVs: Slaf's work ethic and drive to succeed. Those were the qualities that bumped him up to #1OA and will ultimately determine how far he goes.

And the stuff that kept him in the NHL vs AHL. I lead a relatively large team on a global scale and I can tell you I invest a lot more of my time into people who want to learn and grow, they’ll also get more flexibility because they put the work in to be better. If you hire the hungriest person for the job you rarely make a mistake and all the stars on my team are starving lol. Book called Growth Mindset changed my entire perspective on that.
 

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And the stuff that kept him in the NHL vs AHL. I lead a relatively large team on a global scale and I can tell you I invest a lot more of my time into people who want to learn and grow, they’ll also get more flexibility because they put the work in to be better. If you hire the hungriest person for the job you rarely make a mistake and all the stars on my team are starving lol. Book called Growth Mindset changed my entire perspective on that.
One thing I will counter with in regards to this is you can’t learn to play hockey at a professional level at 18+. Obviously this doesn’t apply to Slafkovsky at all but there is a lot of skill required to make it. If being hungry, work ethic, and personality got you by in sports, there’d be a lot more guys making it over players who currently play in the NHL now. If you get a draft like 2022 where it’s tight between a handful of players, I go with your philosophy like HuGo did. But there are a lot of cases where I’d take talent over the character unless there‘a signs of serious flaws i.e Pierre Luc Dubois.
 
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30 is good for a young player like that. But... he scored 48 in his first 82 under MSL. And with his metrics, I had expected him to be 40+. It's a disappointing year from that perspective. But to be fair to him, he was coming off shoulder surgery. Maybe that had an effect.

Either way, my expectations are 40+ next year. I'm hoping for 50.

As for Slaf (to get back on topic) I'd be very happy with 60 points and 20 goals. Anything beyond that is gravy.
If Slaf keeps going at the current projected development trajectory he might have 20+ goals this season.
 
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If Slaf keeps going at the current projected development trajectory he might have 20+ goals this season.
His goal numbers over the past 21 are bigly boosted by his two goal game. I’d say it’s unlikely but not impossible.

Regardless, I’d be fine with 20 goals next year. Anything else is gravy. That’d be very good for a 20 year old self described ‘pass first’ player.
 
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One thing I will counter with in regards to this is you can’t learn to play hockey at a professional level at 18+. Obviously this doesn’t apply to Slafkovsky at all but there is a lot of skill required to make it. If being hungry, work ethic, and personality got you by in sports, there’d be a lot more guys making it over players who currently play in the NHL now. If you get a draft like 2022 where it’s tight between a handful of players, I go with your philosophy like HuGo did. But there are a lot of cases where I’d take talent over the character unless there‘a signs of serious flaws i.e Pierre Luc Dubois.
In Slafkovsky's case, the talent was there, only it was in a raw state that wasn't NHL-ready, kinda' like drafting a 16-year old. He looked overwhelmed at first because he probably was. Many kids wilt or lose confidence when thrown in before they're ready. This kid obviously thrives on challenges and likely possesses an unshakeable self-confidence. He struggled, but instead of losing steam he doubled down on improving. Impressive.

To your point about talent over character, obviously you need both. But if we're talking incremental differences, I believe extra character beats extra talent.
 
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The magic ingredient we couldn't see from our TVs: Slaf's work ethic and drive to succeed. Those were the qualities that bumped him up to #1OA and will ultimately determine how far he goes.
Yeah we definitely couldn't see it...but the coaching staff and management has hinted at it quite a bit, for those who choose to listen to their message, this isn't shocking.
 

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Yeah we definitely couldn't see it...but the coaching staff and management has hinted at it quite a bit, for those who choose to listen to their message, this isn't shocking.
Okay, but management pumped plenty of draft picks who added up to nothing. Trust is a hard thing to recover in a relationship.
 
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Pazucha

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Am I the only one who noticed that Slaf is having better games when he plays an "away" game outside of Montreal?

Any reason for that or is it just a coincidence?
 

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Okay, but management pumped plenty of draft picks who added up to nothing. Trust is a hard thing to recover in a relationship.
Yes but I was referring specifically to them driving home the point of how mentally mature he was, this was something they repeated consistently when they were questioned on why they brought him over to North America instead of letting him play in Europe an additional year or whenever they were questioned on why he wasn't in Laval.

I often recall them mentioning his capacity to take and apply the things they were trying to instill in his game.

While the results on the ice weren't fruitful in terms of raw stats, they clearly saw some progress on another level.
 
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In Slafkovsky's case, the talent was there, only it was in a raw state that wasn't NHL-ready, kinda' like drafting a 16-year old. He looked overwhelmed at first because he probably was. Many kids wilt or lose confidence when thrown in before they're ready. This kid obviously thrives on challenges and likely possesses an unshakeable self-confidence. He struggled, but instead of losing steam he doubled down on improving. Impressive.

To your point about talent over character, obviously you need both. But if we're talking incremental differences, I believe extra character beats extra talent.
For all his great physical attributes, his superpower might actually be his coachability. Kid is so willing to learn and it’s paying off in a big way.
 

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The magic ingredient we couldn't see from our TVs: Slaf's work ethic and drive to succeed. Those were the qualities that bumped him up to #1OA and will ultimately determine how far he goes.
I love the much shorter windups. His full musket reloading wrist shot doesn’t work in the pros.
 
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