Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[Mrb1p]

Even Joshua Roy is outproducing Shane Wright in the AHL lmao

"Even" Joshua Roy, who outproduced Shane Wright in literally every single season /his d year.

We underrate poor ol' joshy so much.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I still think Wright is going to prove some ppl wrong.

I will say this in my defence. I still believe that Slaf playing in lesser leagues would have been beneficial, how much do, who knows? I do believe that rushing players to the NHL has some risks that developing slowly doesn’t have. Where I got it wrong was overstating how much playing in the NHL could hurt him. That position isnt defendable anymore, so I’m not going to continue that line of argumentation here. I was wrong, it’s not the first time and it won’t be the last time.

I’m also guilty of diving in the gutter with some, sometimes I find this place can be a bit toxic and I find myself talking in extremes just to be as far opposite of the person I am disagreeing with. I’ve butt heads with a lot of good posters and for that I apologize.

As far as I can remember you shouldn't have to apologize. I've never known you to be disrespectful or post anything warranting an apology. I could be wrong.

I mean good for you to post this but it seems like you're 'on trial' for other posters nonsense.
You stood by your convictions and were pretty consistent from what I remember. I didn't agree with much of what you said about Slaf but I just don't recall you ever crossing any lines.

Again, this is quite magnanimous of you and it shows a lot of character but from my point of view you shouldn't have to mount any kind of defence. Just figured I'd tell you this if it means anything.

Cheers.

 

[Redux91]

"Even" Joshua Roy, who outproduced Shane Wright in literally every single season /his d year.

We underrate poor ol' joshy so much.

No shit lol, but OHL and Q stats don't really jive with each other

But it stands forever that one is a 5th round pick and the other was a consensus 2nd OV pick who fell to 4th OV

And lord KNOWS how he would have handled the jungle that is Montreal
But at least I know Slaf can

 

[Goalfield13]

The only player that didn't force anything playing with Caufield and Suzuki was Dach and him returning to RW is still a possibility coming off a serious injury. More so if wowing the lottery and choose a player like Celebrini, or, short of winning the lottery, manage to choose a power forward like Cayden Lindstrom who actually pans out at C (I think he will be winger).

Slafkovsky could be part of a kid line with that player, whether it is adding size to a line pivoted by a smaller Celebrini, or forming two thirds of a Legion of Doom with a larger C like Lindstrom.

Dach had to force himself to be a winger when he is clearly a C.

 

[Goalfield13]

I suspect he could go higher, 50 pts next year. A lot depends on his usage and where we put him. Dach replacing Monahan on PP1 should have an immediate impact. If for some reason Monahan is still here and Dach replaces Slaf, I will vomit. Also, we need a better option than Matheson on that PP1 crew.

Dach, to me is the wildcard. If he comes back and continues on that curve, we were seeing last year, and so desperately hoping for last year, all of our top 6 will get a bump.

Having a legitimate threat on the second line, draws attention away from the top line. Until we acquire some more top end talent, I'd look at pairs of players to spread out the scoring threats.

Something like....

***** - Suzuki - Slaf
Caufield - Dach - *****
****** - Newhook - PowerDonkey

There are holes to fill for sure and a lot of unknowns. This coming draft we need high end offensive talent to pair with Suzuki and Slaf, or to move into the Caufield spot with Dach. I think Newhook can stay third line centre next year, unless we re-sign Money or for some reason Beck makes a huge jump. Otherwise Newhook has potential to be a top 6er for us.

I don't want Newhook playing C ever again for us. It is clear he is better suited as a winger.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

As far as I can remember you shouldn't have to apologize. I've never known you to be disrespectful or post anything warranting an apology. I could be wrong.

I mean good for you to post this but it seems like you're 'on trial' for other posters nonsense.
You stood by your convictions and were pretty consistent from what I remember. I didn't agree with much of what you said about Slaf but I just don't recall you ever crossing any lines.

Again, this is quite magnanimous of you and it shows a lot of character but from my point of view you shouldn't have to mount any kind of defence. Just figured I'd tell you this if it means anything.

Cheers.

Thanks for that, but I’ve got into the mudslinging back and forth a bit which brings the quality of discussion down..

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

He probably won’t be a super star, but a solid 2 way power forward 25-30 goals 50-60 points a year I’d be very happy with. I’m ok with that even though they aren’t typical first overall numbers. It’s funny how that kind of player is considered rare, and now these gigantic goalies are becoming more common.

okay I'm going to TRY and control my rage here lol. And I know it's irrational so forgive me.

But I don't understand these projections for the life of me. Suzuki has hit 60 points twice in his young career and paced for 60+ in the season before. So 3 out of 4 seasons he either hit 60+ or paced for it. He's yet to have a bonafide star winger for a whole season yet. But he gets 60+ before he's even entered his prime.

Why would Slaf max out at 60 in his prime when Slaf has been better than Suzuki has been at the same age? And he'll have the benefit of better line mates than Suzuki has had up till now?

And I don't want to seem like I'm attacking you as you're not alone in making this assertion. But I just don't get why this ceiling is being repeated on here like it's axiomatic.

To have his size, skating, skill profile and have a 60 point ceiling, he'd really have to have rocks for brains. A 19 year old who can belong on a first line and actually be arguably the catalyst for it's success is more likely than not be a very very good player. Neither KK or Galch did that so we should try and lose the PTSD projections of high picks. He's clearly different and flat out better than those two.

And again I apologize. If we were talking face to face, I'd be half laughing at myself for being too passionate about this as I know it's stupid. But not only do I not get that ceiling, I can't even get how that would be 'great' or 'fine'.

I know why. I'm sick and can't have a smoke so I'm getting too wound up about this lol. Still don't get it though hahaha

 

[nhlfan9191]

okay I'm going to TRY and control my rage here lol. And I know it's irrational so forgive me.

But I don't understand these projections for the life of me. Suzuki has hit 60 points twice in his young career and paced for 60+ in the season before. So 3 out of 4 seasons he either hit 60+ or paced for it. He's yet to have a bonafide star winger for a whole season yet. But he gets 60+ before he's even entered his prime.

Why would Slaf max out at 60 in his prime when Slaf has been better than Suzuki has been at the same age? And he'll have the benefit of better line mates than Suzuki has had up till now?

And I don't want to seem like I'm attacking you as you're not alone in making this assertion. But I just don't get why this ceiling is being repeated on here like it's axiomatic.

To have his size, skating, skill profile and have a 60 point ceiling, he'd really have to have rocks for brains. A 19 year old who can belong on a first line and actually be arguably the catalyst for it's success is more likely than not be a very very good player. Neither KK or Galch did that so we should try and lose the PTSD projections of high picks. He's clearly different and flat out better than those two.

And again I apologize. If we were talking face to face, I'd be half laughing at myself for being too passionate about this as I know it's stupid. But not only do I not get that ceiling, I can't even get how that would be 'great' or 'fine'.

I know why. I'm sick and can't have a smoke so I'm getting too wound up about this lol. Still don't get it though hahaha

60+ points would be close to double what he’s pacing right now while he’s playing well.

 

[Andrei79]

60+ points would be close to double what he’s pacing right now while he’s playing well.

Which is indicative of nothing at all.

 

[Tyson]

60+ points would be close to double what he’s pacing right now while he’s playing well.

He is 19 and showing some impressive attributes. No one knows his upside until he has a couple hundred NHL games under his belt. To say his upside is 60 points is based on zero evidence or logic.

 

[nhlfan9191]

He is 19 and showing some impressive attributes. No one knows his upside until he has a couple hundred NHL games under his belt. To say his upside is 60 points is based on zero evidence or logic.

I never put a cap on his upside. But acting like 60+ points is an insult is outrageous.

 

[Tyson]

I never put a cap on his upside. But acting like 60+ points is an insult is outrageous.

A power forward who can put up 60 points I will take. Let's hope he tops out higher

 

[waitin425]

I don't want Newhook playing C ever again for us. It is clear he is better suited as a winger.

If we can dump Dvorak, like a hope, and Money, if the price is right, I am okay giving Newhook another run at 3rd line centre, until Beck graduates.

It would be fun to see what Newhook could do with Suzuki and Slaf though.

Cole with Dach and .......

 

[Goalfield13]

If we can dump Dvorak, like a hope, and Money, if the price is right, I am okay giving Newhook another run at 3rd line centre, until Beck graduates.

It would be fun to see what Newhook could do with Suzuki and Slaf though.

Cole with Dach and .......

I know Newhook is only 22, but he has played 182 NHL games and hasn't looked like a proper NHL C in one of them. He is a pretty good winger, though. I would rather he focus on that.

 

[Tyson]

I know Newhook is only 22, but he has played 182 NHL games and hasn't looked like a proper NHL C in one of them. He is a pretty good winger, though. I would rather he focus on that.

% agree on Newhook

 

[Miller Time]

Thanks for that, but I’ve got into the mudslinging back and forth a bit which brings the quality of discussion down..

Ditto...

Heated debates bring out the best & worst from me. I'm trying to minimize the latter & prioritize the former, but fall short at times. To je to

The best posters own a bad take or a take that doesn't hold up over time.
Kudos

 

[themilosh]

And his visible commitment to the process of change he was asked & coached to undertake, despite the dip in immediate comfort level/outcomes, is precisely what validated the decision to keep him here... And precisely what so many overlooked either from inability to recognize it and/or from an over-emphasis on stat line outcomes in their assessment

No small feat to maintain the self-esteem required to stay diligent with that kind of work in such a critical media/fan environment, where every shift, let alone game, without a point draws intense scrutiny. That trait/quality was part of the team's scouting profile on him, and has shown itself to have been a very good assessment. Bodes well for his ongoing progress and chances at hitting the high end of his considerable potential.

Future is bright

Might I suggest the same "personality" assesement was completed on Reinbacher. I bet Michkov must have been very low on that personality scale to pass up on the viewable tangibles..

I guess this is why the MTL media always calls it Draft-Luck.. it's not, never has been.. the best run organizations get their man at any part if the 1st round.. or they trade for 3yrs progress Newhook/Dach.

I think its time the MTL media take a breath, relax.. we have the second coming of Sammy Pollock upon us. And guess what, hes a gars de chez nous!!

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Thanks for that, but I’ve got into the udslinging back and forth a bit which brings the quality of discussion down..

Also, I don’t think anyone should be removed for saying something that ppl disagree with even if many find the posts absurd, but that’s just me.

Fair enough. We’ve all slung mud at some point.

No one should definitely have their posts removed for that. Not at all.

60+ points would be close to double what he’s pacing right now while he’s playing well.

lol yeah but that’s no way to read his stats.

With his play that just keeps improving every game, his promotion along with his production rate since being promoted, would you actually bet on him having only 15 points in the second half?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Ditto...

Heated debates bring out the best & worst from me. I'm trying to minimize the latter & prioritize the former, but fall short at times. To je to

The best posters own a bad take or a take that doesn't hold up over time.
Kudos

You were one of the good posters I was referring to.

 

[417]

Slafkovsky playing well is the key to world peace.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Slafkovsky playing well is the key to world peace.

 

[Kennerback]

Even Joshua Roy is outproducing Shane Wright in the AHL lmao

Roy is more chill with the puck and thus will hold on a bit longer to make a good play. It’s made him up to now a surprisingly much better AHL passer. Wright still gets rid of the puck too fast causing errant pucks. Slight nod to Wright on the goal scoring, but only a paper thin nod. Both were right on the border age-wise between the 2021 and 2022 draft years. They’re for all intents and purposes the same age.

 

[LesCanadiens]

He just needs to learn how to take face offs now so we don’t have to face palm watching a guy who scores three goals on a good year play 3v3 anymore.

And a proper right winger for 5v5 play.

He's had a go at faceoffs. I checked some starts, and it appears he's had a go at some Was 5w out of 10 f/o for 50% last season but only 6w out of 16f/o for 37.5% this year. Damn if he could ever learn to how to play center, that'd be something. He's certainly there defensively and clearly can pass at an elite level. Pipe dream, I know...

 

[LesCanadiens]

Roy is more chill with the puck and thus will hold on a bit longer to make a good play. It’s made him up to now a surprisingly much better AHL passer. Wright still gets rid of the puck too fast causing errant pucks. Slight nod to Wright on the goal scoring, but only a paper thin nod. Both were right on the border age-wise between the 2021 and 2022 draft years. They’re for all intents and purposes the same age.

Wright is so bad it's not even funny. He's good at staring though. Damn good at staring.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Slaf has had impressive few games. He is looking like more than just "the third guy with Suzuki and Caufield". It's a small sample size, but it boxes will for his future.