Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[Goldenhands]

You of all people should know Slafkovsky wasn't regularly playing in the U20s in the 2021-2022 season. He played 11 games there in various stints throughout that seasons. He was in reality a Liiga player that year playing nearly 3x as many games in Liiga than in the U20s, and we all know how that went. He was sent down at various times to the U20s for short stints.

If you think 11 games played at random in a lower division constitutes as dominating a league then so be it. I hope the rest of the board isn't so foolish.

You know, you spend hours posting on this thread crapping on a kid you apparently want to succeed. I avoid your posts and dont read them because thats like listening at a broken reccord endlessly.

Not sure what your motivation is, but it has become rather pathetic. I shouldnt have replied to you since its hopeless to argue with someone stuck in his own blinded mind.

 

[Andrei79]

I did mention his 2021-2022 u20s season, he was not in the top100 in overall points and was 11th in PPG.
As for the rest of your frankly boring and repetitive whining, I only looked at league play as that was the topic of discussion. Whether he dominated any league in which he played. The answer is no. We've all heard about his tournament games against Kazakh plumbers and Latvian accountants.


What are you talking about exactly? I clicked his name on elite-prospects, I clicked on his league season and then I sorted by pts and PPG and picked out Slafkovsky. I did no other filter, I did no alchemy.

Funny you're hung up on the 2021-2022 U20 season, that's the season he struggled in Liiga with his 10pt showing (significantly less than Kotkanimi in his draft year) and many of you find ways to deny and obfuscate that too, with some alchemy no doubt. He was a Liiga player that year, not a U20 player. You basically crying your eyes out that I didn't do alchemy to make him look like he dominated a league he was meant to have outgrown. FFS have some standards.

You don't have a disability that I know of, so why should I not expect the minimal standards "FFS" from a poster, which is taking the 4 to 10 seconds needed to check the data they refer to. If you look at 2019-2020 in U18, he's the 12th scorer. All 11 in front of him are either 1 or two years older. The year after, he played 16 games and got 13 points, with 8 goals (0.5gpg). He's always been a great producer for his age group at every level, save those 31 games in Liiga.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He had more than respectable production in J20 with 18 pts in 11 games. He was dominant at the Hlinka with 11 pts in 6 games, leading team Slovakia to the finale.

Then 7 goals in 7 games at the Olympics, MVP of the tournament, 1st medal for the national team.

Then 9 pts in 8 games at the WC against NHLers, KHLers, SHL, Liiga players.

But of course, you already know all this and those competitions were only Pee-Wee AA caliber, about the same level as you can see every year in Quebec city.

My reason for not wanting to draft him was the lack of track record. But that means zero because I don’t follow the minors.

I’m not worried about Slaf. There was no slam dunk star in that draft so it’s entire possible he won’t be BPA. I do think he’s turning into a really good player though and the upside’s there. I totally get why we drafted him.

I think there’s a much better chance of us regretting not taking Michkov. That’s the pick that could really be a kick in the pants.

 

[ReHabs]

You don't have a disability that I know of, so why should I not expect the minimal standards "FFS" from a poster, which is taking the 4 to 10 seconds needed to check the data they refer to. If you look at 2019-2020 in U18, he's the 12th scorer. All 11 in front of him are either 1 or two years older. He's always been a great producer for his age group at every level, save those 31 games in Liiga.

Who said anything about "for his age group"? Talk about disingenuous. You change the parameters and then imply I have a disability because you don't like the numbers found on the stat sheet. What a joke! Nobody in this discussion had anything to say about "for his age group". Want to be clued in on a secret? Sometimes, not always but sometimes, exciting prospects in a sport and bumped up a year or two. Those who make it to the top of the sport will not surprise you to have been bumped up. It's completely irrelevant to the simple question that was posed.

The 12th best scorer in a league is not dominating that league, sorry to disappoint you. If he was too young, he should've played in the appropriate division. No alchemy.

I'm glad you let go of the 2021-2022 season, it was really surprising to see your post. Did you not realize he played in Liiga that season?

 

[Goldthorpe]

So Slaf is developing fine but we're back to "we should have drafted someone else"? I think we are regressing here.

 

[cave troll]

Yeah exactly, a 30 year old vet Joel Armia vs a 17 yrs old Juraj Slafkovsky.

Even more reason for Armia to dominate now Why he doesn't? Cause these tournaments lacking any top class players don't mean a thing.
How come Farrell is playing AHL? Didn't he player great at the same OG and WC? Best PPG player on those Olympics. One penalty shot is what probably robbed him form being that tournament MVP.

 

[Whitesnake]

My reason for not wanting to draft him was the lack of track record. But that means zero because I don’t follow the minors. I’m not worried about Slaf. There was no slam dunk star in that draft so it’s entire possible he won’t be BPA. I do think he’s turning into a really good player though and the upside’s there. I totally get why we drafted him.

I think there’s a much better chance of us regretting not taking Michkov. That’s the pick that could really be a kick in the pants.

I had no problem drafting him. What we will always wonder though is....was there a market to do something else? Though people will say the draft in Montreal...you have to draft him, to which I say bull 'cause we ended up going against what was suppose to happen....you wonder if a team like Buffalo would have thought of 9th and 16th. To which we probably could have ended up in a better position. But that we will never know. Personnally, my point was Cooley seemed to most talented player. But I had nothing against Slaf.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So Slaf is developing fine but we're back to "we should have drafted someone else"? I think we are regressing here.

I’m good with the pick. Great upside.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I had no problem drafting him. What we will always wonder though is....was there a market to do something else? Though people will say the draft in Montreal...you have to draft him, to which I say bull 'cause we ended up going against what was suppose to happen....you wonder if a team like Buffalo would have thought of 9th and 16th. To which we probably could have ended up in a better position. But that we will never know. Personnally, my point was Cooley seemed to most talented player. But I had nothing against Slaf.

If you trade the 1st and he becomes a star… you’re dead. There really wasn’t the option to trade it. First draft… in Montreal? He’d have been killed.

And to be honest, it took brass balls to take Slaf over Wright.

 

[Andrei79]

Who said anything about "for his age group"? Talk about disingenuous. You change the parameters and then imply I have a disability because you don't like the numbers found on the stat sheet. What a joke! Nobody in this discussion had anything to say about "for his age group". Want to be clued in on a secret? Sometimes, not always but sometimes, exciting prospects in a sport and bumped up a year or two. Those who make it to the top of the sport will not surprise you to have been bumped up. It's completely irrelevant to the simple question that was posed.

The 12th best scorer in a league is not dominating that league, sorry to disappoint you. If he was too young, he should've played in the appropriate division. No alchemy.

I'm glad you let go of the 2021-2022 season, it was really surprising to see your post. Did you not realize he played in Liiga that season?

If "for his age group" was irrelevant, then it would not be taken into account when teams draft players.

And what change of parameters, you were the one who brought up his U20 2021-2022 season. If you ask the question, then refer to that period, why do you dismiss it ?

Let me guess, because of alchemy, lmao. Disingenous as ever.

I think the only time I've ever seen a more disingenous poster, was that guy who spent hundreds of post talking about a drafted player he never saw play. Oh wait.

 

[ReHabs]

So Slaf is developing fine but we're back to "we should have drafted someone else"? I think we are regressing here.

No re-litigation. The discussion was in the Mesar thread, someone asserted that Slaf dominated in his pre-NHL career and I looked up the stats. He did not dominate any league in which he played --- it could be because he was promoted too young/early/soon and too often, I'm not sure.

If "for his age group" was irrelevant, then it would not be taken into account when teams draft players.

It was irrelevant, because it was not relevant to the question that was asked.

And what change of parameters, you were the one who brought up his U20 2021-2022 season. If you ask the question, then refer to that period, why do you dismiss it ?

I didn't dismiss it. 11gp in one division and 31gp in another, he was not top10 in pts or PPG in either. In Liiga, where he played 31 games, he wasn't top100 in points or ppg, even. Want me to go through everybody's age in that league? Pfft.

Let me guess, because of alchemy, lmao. Disingenous as ever.

I think the only time I've ever seen a more disingenous poster, was that guy who spent hundreds of post talking about a drafted player he never saw play. Oh wait.

I've seen plenty of Slafkovsky.

You should try watching the games instead of getting tilted at someone because he (and nearly every neutral NHL fan) thought a certain prospect and draft pick was bogus.

 

[Kennerback]

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[Goldthorpe]

No re-litigation. The discussion was in the Mesar thread, someone asserted that Slaf dominated in his pre-NHL career and I looked up the stats. He did not dominate any league in which he played --- it could be because he was promoted too young/early/soon and too often, I'm not sure.

I agree he never "dominated" - a loaded word if there's any - but he managed to be the top scorer of his TPS U18 2019-2020 team, which shows he has some history of being an reliable offensive player among his peers, which is the reason why (I'm going to guess here) this whole "dominate" argument came up.

 

[Final Baton]

I'm liking what I'm seeing so far, of him as the "checking guy on the top line".

 

[Shutdown]

what i usually like to do is write 500 words about a player's u20 season 3 years ago instead of watching the game he's playing

 

[Don D]

I had no problem drafting him. What we will always wonder though is....was there a market to do something else? Though people will say the draft in Montreal...you have to draft him, to which I say bull 'cause we ended up going against what was suppose to happen....you wonder if a team like Buffalo would have thought of 9th and 16th. To which we probably could have ended up in a better position. But that we will never know. Personnally, my point was Cooley seemed to most talented player. But I had nothing against Slaf.

Glad they drafted a big kid. Habs have too many 6' and under (Cooley fits the under category).

 

[vlady]

I see we are back to Liiga stats in here. Carry on...

 

[admiralcadillac]

You said developing outside of the NHL is a vague trope. It doesn’t seem vague at all. Can you elaborate why you made that assertion?

I guess it depends whether you believe development is a factor of simply playing versus where you play

 

[Goldenhands]

The guy who cant assess players on his own and had Slafkovsky like 20th OV based on his flawed models, hummm, I guess you are one of his biggest disciples...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

what i usually like to do is write 500 words about a player's u20 season 3 years ago instead of watching the game he's playing

That way you can say you haven’t seen any improvements.

 

[Colezuki]

Playing well tonight, again he’s getting his “balance” let’s say and is a lot more sturdy on his skates then early in the year

 

[Kennerback]

Playing well tonight, again he’s getting his “balance” let’s say and is a lot more sturdy on his skates then early in the year

He’s winning more board battles.

 

[Paddyjack]

That way you can say you haven’t seen any improvements.

He really surprised me tonight, there are really a lot of progress here.

 

[WinterLion]

Nice game.

 

[Habit11]

Forced a handful of Ozone turnovers, good work along the boards, almost setup a goal. Heading in the right direction. 1st line or no line is where I stand with Dach and Newhook out.