Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[Jaynki]

Nemec, Jiricek, and Cooley were all better if you don’t take Wright.

Wright, it look like we dodged a bullet.

Nemec is soft as f***.

Jiricek and Cooley are better. But again, the same discourse would be heard here.

Weak small forward who wont be strong enough for the NHL. A top 3D at best at 1st ov. We drafted 1st a 5ft9 player. We drafted 1st an injured player. The same kind of brainless bullshit we always hear.

Nobody in this draft is worthy of a 1st pick OV. And if you watched Cooley, outside of his one single highlight, i don't think you have seen much this year in the NHL.

We all know who isn't....except you.

I think Slafkovsky may have been the best pick at 1st in the 2022 draft, i think Cooley too. We cant really know right now.

None of the players picked in this draft is worthy of a 1st overall, by that i mean an immediate superstar a la Matthews.

 

[Shawnathon]

Wright, it look like we dodged a bullet.

Nemec is soft as f***.

Jiricek and Cooley are better. But again, the same discourse would be heard here.

Weak small forward who wont be strong enough for the NHL. A top 3D at best at 1st ov. We drafted 1st a 5ft9 player. We drafted 1st an injured player. The same kind of brainless bullshit we always hear.

Nobody in this draft is worthy of a 1st pick OV. And if you watched Cooley, outside of his one single highlight, i don't think you have seen much this year in the NHL.

“Weak small forward” what does that matter when you have a 6’4 230 pound Ken doll getting tossed around?

 

[cave troll]

We dodged the bullet Wright only to get sniped by a bullet Slaf in the middle of our forehead.

 

[Jaynki]

“Weak small forward” what does that matter when you have a 6’4 230 pound Ken doll getting tossed around?

It dont mean much since he is in the top 50 of the NHL for puck battle won.

Edit : he is 8th in the league.

Source : Number from SportLogiq from the Jonathan Bernier article in Lapresse.ca

 

[Shawnathon]

It dont mean much since he is in the top 50 of the NHL for puck battle won.

He’s doing nothing. He floats around the ice confused at what his identify is. I don’t care what you see threw rose colored goggles. He’s been awful.

 

[cave troll]

It dont mean much since he is in the top 50 of the NHL for puck battle won.

Edit : he is 8th in the league.

Source : Number from SportLogiq from the Jonathan Bernier article in Lapresse.ca

He won one yesterday only to serve the goal to Jets 3 seconds after that.

 

[DAChampion]

He played well in 22 pro games across Liiga, Olympics, and WC. He stunk the other 21. Those are the only games that mattered unless you’re including a league that wouldn’t get a player anywhere near being a first round selection, much less 1st overall.

My understanding is that Slafkovsky was considered a top 2022 prospect prior to the 2021 draft.

 

[Jaynki]

He’s doing nothing. He floats around the ice confused at what his identify is. I don’t care what you see threw rose colored goggles. He’s been awful.

Ok. Cant argue against such good arguments.

So he is first in the teams for offensive chances created off the cycle.

He is 8th in the league for puck battle won.

We saw him outskate a top10D in the league to a breakaway. We saw him setup his teammates many times.

Those are not rose coloured goggles. Those are plain, cold fact.

He is not awful. He is inconsistent and sometimes have brain fart. But let's not blindfully ignore the improvements and things he is also doing well with anti-rose coloured goggles.

He won one yesterday only to serve the goal to Jets 3 seconds after that.

First player in history to have a giveaway

 

[Shawnathon]

Ok. Cant argue against such good arguments.

So he is first in the teams for offensive chances created off the cycle.

He is 8th in the league for puck battle won.

We saw him outskate a top10D in the league to a breakaway. We saw him setup his teammates many times.

Those are not rose coloured goggles. Those are plain, cold fact.

He is not awful. He is inconsistent and sometimes have brain fart. But let's not blindfully ignore the improvements and things he is also doing well with anti-rose coloured goggles.


First player in history to have a giveaway

You talk a lot. And I mean A LOT. I still haven’t seen you provide a cold hard fact. You’ve resorted to made up numbers.

 

[cave troll]

First player in history to have a giveaway

After he became the first player in history to outskate Dahiln. Isn't it?

 

[Jaynki]

After he became the first player in history to outskate Dahiln. Isn't it?

Him outskating Dahlin was very impressive and a glimpse of his potential. Its pretty special to do something like that at 19 years old body, even more at his weight.

No offense but nor Wright nor Cooley have this power in their skate, even if they appear quicker and more agile.

The giveaway was f***ing brutal but thats workable and teachable. Not the other skill.

 

[cave troll]

You serious?

You often see mid forward outskating Dahlin?

Its a common occurence? It happens a lot right?

Because i can find many, many, many players even the likes of McDavid who does giveaways.

Cant find a lot of clip where Dahlin is outskated tho.

How about you watch video of Dahlin's 61 giveaways in 2022/23 and see how he loses the puck to players and then tries to outskate them in vain?

He look here is Slafkofsky in Bruins jersey with a name Trent Frederic passing next to Dahlin like a speed train:

 

[DAChampion]

You serious?

You often see mid forward outskating Dahlin?

Its a common occurence? It happens a lot right?

Because i can find many, many, many players even the likes of McDavid who does giveaways.

Cant find a lot of clip where Dahlin is outskated tho.

He definitely has the talent, but this is maybe the first time in his life that he's not the supreme best at hockey. Not good for his confidence.

 

[Jaynki]

He definitely has the talent, but this is maybe the first time in his life that he's not the supreme best at hockey. Not good for his confidence.

Perfect for his resilience, which will be needed throughout his career.

I do agree that he need a spark tho because the unproduction might become a big hurdle

 

[Shawnathon]

Him outskating Dahlin was very impressive and a glimpse of his potential. Its pretty special to do something like that at 19 years old body, even more at his weight.

No offense but nor Wright nor Cooley have this power in their skate, even if they appear quicker and more agile.

The giveaway was f***ing brutal but thats workable and teachable. Not the other skill.

I’ll be the first one to remind you when this guy busts. And he will because of the overhype leading into the draft.

 

[OnTheRun]

My understanding is that Slafkovsky was considered a top 2022 prospect prior to the 2021 draft.

He was.

From McKenzie early ranking to selection it went:

	September ranking	Final ranking	Selected at
Wright	1	2	4
Slafkovsky	4	1	1
Nemec	11	4	2
Cooley	6	3	3
Gauthier	N/A (Not in the top16)	5	5
Jiricek	10	6	6

 

[Jaynki]

I’ll be the first one to remind you when this guy busts. And he will because of the overhype leading into the draft.

You will need to be quick to be the first because there are also a couple eagerly waiting for it.

I know we are not used in Montreal to have prospect evolving and maturing but Slafkovsky has improved and although very inconsistent, we finally see things that he effectively displayed in these overhyped tournament.

I will maintain my point, he is in his window of maximum growth and data suggest he has had many scoring chances and he is doing things well.

Im mixed because has much as the unproductivity might become a real hurdle, he might also just be one spark away from breaking out. We will see.

He was.

From McKenzie early ranking to selection it went:

	September ranking	Final ranking	Selected at
Wright	1	2	4
Slafkovsky	4	1	1
Nemec	11	4	2
Cooley	6	3	3
Gauthier	N/A (Not in the top16)	5	5
Jiricek	10	6	6

We again selected a late riser !

Would have been a bullshit argument for every player following this board. (Except Wright)

 

[Shawnathon]

You will need to be quick to be the first because there are also a couple eagerly waiting for it.

I know we are not used in Montreal to have prospect evolving and maturing but Slafkovsky has improved and although very inconsistent, we finally see things that he effectively displayed in these overhyped tournament.

I will maintain my point, he is in his window of maximum growth and data suggest he has had many scoring chances and he is doing things well.

Im mixed because has much as the unproductivity might become a real hurdle, he might also just be one spark away from breaking out. We will see.



We again selected a late riser !

Would have been a bullshit argument for every player following this board. (Except Wright)

Improved how? How to become a journeyman

 

[DAChampion]

He was.

From McKenzie early ranking to selection it went:

	September ranking	Final ranking	Selected at
Wright	1	2	4
Slafkovsky	4	1	1
Nemec	11	4	2
Cooley	6	3	3
Gauthier	N/A (Not in the top16)	5	5
Jiricek	10	6	6

Why did McKenzie give Slaf such a high ranking if he's always sucked outside of games against Kazakhstan and France?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Why did McKenzie give Slaf such a high ranking if he's always sucked outside of games against Kazakhstan and France?

McKenzie doesn't rank them himself. He gets input from usually around 10 NHL scouts/head scout and then crunches the numbers and puts out his list.

Back in 2018, or whenever it was Makar was drafted, one of the scouts McKenzie polled actually had Makar at 1st overall.

 

[DAChampion]

McKenzie doesn't rank them himself. He gets input from usually around 10 NHL scouts/head scout and then crunches the numbers and puts out his list.

Back in 2018, or whenever it was Makar was drafted, one of the scouts McKenzie polled actually had Makar at 1st overall.

My sarcastic point stands though

There's a narrative on this board that Slafkovsky has always been mediocre garbage outside of a few tournament games against Kazakhstan, etc. If so, how was he so highly rated a year prior to the draft, when he had not yet paid in the Hlinka Cup?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah, better linemates would give Slafkovsky more opportunities, but the concern is he's not making the right decisions once those opportunities arrive on his stick.

I'm all for sending him down. I don't see how playing with Josh Anderson is going to help him. Even with Dach I was still in favour of the AHL but it made a lot more sense back then to keep him up. I could understand the rationale. But right now... It feels like the team is being stubborn.

I think you send him down, let him play with Roy. They hopefully gel and come up together next year and play on the 2nd with Dach.

 

[Ajhccwrs]

Max Lappiere had a great comment as to why Slaf is not in the AHL, along with it being over rated to require kids to play through it. During his last interview on the sick podcast.

Basically saying, Slaf would of just defaulted to his size in the AHL and wouldn't of been forced to work on his weaknesses. However in the NHL he is forced to work on his game outside muscling people around. Ontop of that he said AHL development is over hyped.

 

[Capitano]

Max Lappiere had a great comment as to why Slaf is not in the AHL, along with it being over rated to require kids to play through it. During his last interview on the sick podcast.

Basically saying, Slaf would of just defaulted to his size in the AHL and wouldn't of been forced to work on his weaknesses. However in the NHL he is forced to work on his game outside muscling people around. Ontop of that he said AHL development is over hyped.

I heard this pod and it was a good take in my opinion. Nobody can figure it out for him but himself...he needs to learn how to play in this league because his 'old tricks' don't seem to be working. He needs to find a way to make an impact on the game in this league and no matter what line he is on and no matter who he plays with he should be able to do that. I don't even care about points...I care more about him being a factor. Right now he is getting lost on the ice.

It's VERY obvious to me that he is thinking WAY too much out there. Just skate north and south, find open space...win battles...the promotions and points will come.

 

[Mrb1p]

Ahl plz