July 1st recap: Now and the Future

[surf]

This board is so funny all year long people hated Dorse who was called garbage and Richards couldn't be bought out fast enough now the same fans are crying wanting them back...Bi polar at its finest

 

[ltrangerfan]

...as of right now...


Last season:
Kreider - Stepan - Nash

This season
Kreider - Stepan - Nash

Result: Same

Last Season:
Hagelin - Richards - MSL

Next Season:
Hagelin - Miller - MSL

Result:
Worse. Richards scored what, almost 50 points? I'd be shocked if Miller does the same.

Last Season:
Pouliot - Brassard - MZA

This Season:
Fasth - Brassard - MZA

Result:
Worse. That line thrived on chemistry, the likelyhood of Fasth coming in and having the same kinda chemistry is next to zero. Fasth is also a much smaller player that doesnt control the puck nearly as well as Pouliot did. Pouliot was an awesome forechecker for us (when he wasnt taking offensive zone penalties).


Last Season:
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett/Carcillo
This Season:
Bourque - Moore - Glass

Result: Significantly worse. I like the idea of Bourque on the 4th line, but he's a HUGE downgrade from an elite 4th liner in Boyle. Glass VS Dorsett is at BEST a push, and is more likely a net negative. this is a very mediocre 4th line.

Defense:


Last Season:
McDonagh - Girardi

This Season:
McDonagh - Girardi

Result:
Same



Last Season:
Staal - Stralman

This Season:
Staal - Boyle

Result:
Hard to say, I'll call it a push to be fair to both sides. Really tough to say though.



Last Season:
Moore - Klein

This Season:
Moore - Klein

Result:
Same


So our D should be roughly the same, our Goaltending is exactly the same, and our forwards are, as of now, unquestionably worse.

So yeah, we are definitely worse off (as of this very minute) versus last year.

is anyone surprised? Stupid salary cap.

Much worse? I don't know? Perhaps they were due to finish out of the playoffs with or without any changes?

Will we see more offense from Nash? Possibly since he's 1 more yr away from the concussion issue? Hopefully.

Losing Richards.... Might be an addition by subtraction? Will Richards replacement score more points than Richards? Probably not. Will we cringe with Boyle on the point worrying that about short handed opportunities by the opposition? Richards was a defensive liability. Will Boyle's presence lead to more PP goals?

Did Pouliot have career year? Wll he score 10 goals in Tampa?

Will MSL have a better offensively productive year after working with his line mates over a longer period of time? A definite possibility.

Is the 4th line weaker offensively? Does it really matter?

The lines will change. Rookies will get serious tryouts. If scoring is a problem changes will be made before the playoffs. I'm not really worried by the loss of personnel which was unavoidable.

With all that said, I worry that the team will underachieve after this past season success. My gut tells me we might see a reversion to the mean. Hopefully my fears are never realized.

 

[JaeTM]

While I haven't been thrilled by today, I am usually pretty stoked on July 1 and then that particular signing ends up being terrible, so it's a plus that Sather hasn't gone for that big named UFA ala Stastny or trade for Spezza.

If we ever want to find a legitimate 1C were going to have to draft one or trade for one. Signing former 1C towards the end of their prime is just recipe for disaster.

I wish we kept Stralman over Boyle but I'm assuming there were things that were more difficult than simply money. If Boyle can end up being a positive on the PP I'll take it. It's always nice to see players come here for less because they want to be apart of our organization and want to win.

The only signing I can't fathom is Tanner Glass. I wish we didn't sign him and went for someone to replace Pouliot. I'm pretty worried about having Miller, Lindberg and Fast getting significant ice time this season if that's how it rolls out. Good teams are able to ease their rookies into their lineup and not have them take on such important roles right away. Feel like this won't be the case with us.

RRemember, Stepan and Kreider will have another off season underneath their belts and as long as they train they'll be bigger and quicker than before. Stepan is going to be 24, I think this year or next we may see him develop into an even better player than what we have already.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Honestly, guys, as of now, I'm just furious about the Glass contract. I'm hoping that this is a guy who AV knows from Vancouver and will get a lot more out of here than I ever saw in my limited viewings elsewhere, but it feels like Sather's (almost) annual goon on a Rissmiller contract. Having said that, let's put that in perspective with the rest of the situation.

The D. Boyle deal I'm 50/50 on. I really wanted Ehrhoff, but he clearly is looking to duplicate the Niskanen inflation technique by going to Pitt. I would also have liked Stralman back, but I can't fault management for going for the shorter term on the guy who puts up more points. It feels an AWFUL lot like a typical Rangers retirement deal, but he took less to be here and, frankly, it's not nearly as bad as the typical Rangers retirement deal - and, in fact, it's less than what you would expect for that player. It makes me very, very nervous, but as of right now I can't be (too) down on it.

As to our other guys, getting Dom Moore back for that deal is ****ing brilliant. He was head and shoulders the priority over Pouliot and Boyle for me. Meanwhile, Pouliot got an asinine deal (which he had to take) and Boyle pretty clearly wanted to be in Tampa. I would've liked to have kept Boyle, but $2MM is an awful lot for a fourth liner, especially one who doesn't want to be a fourth liner. I'm not sure how "keepable" he was - and I'm not that crushed by it due to the fact that we did in fact keep Moore.

As for the AHL/depth deals, I LOVE them. As someone who watched a lot of the Pack last year, I can't tell you how valuable the presence of these players is going to be. Great, great move. Maybe even enough to mitigate the ineffectiveness of Gernander.

So, all in all, the team really didn't make any huge moves. For once they didn't hand out a 10%-of-the-cap-for-5-to-7-years deal. They did bolster the farm team dramatically. And they have plenty of room left to sign their UFAs (to multiyear deals, mind you) and make one or two more moves (be they signings or trades), while a lot of the competition is already up against the cap. Last, but not least, it's clear that even if (when) they bring in additional resources, the kids are well-positioned to grab spots - if they're ready. All they have to do is reach out and grab them.

And I'm left griping about an overpayment on a 4th liner. I still don't like it (it's the term more than the dollars, really), but all things considered, we just went from Brad Richards's albatross to Tanner Glass's mosquito as our worst deal. So, let's see how the next few days and months play out. As of now, yes, we have a worse team (although the development of a Fast/Miller or a surprise from a Haggerty/Duclair could change that), but I'm not convinced that's what we'll have in September.

 

[profchaos2001]

Much worse? I don't know? Perhaps they were due to finish out of the playoffs with or without any changes?

Will we see more offense from Nash? Possibly since he's 1 more yr away from the concussion issue? Hopefully.

Losing Richards.... Might be an addition by subtraction? Will Richards replacement score more points than Richards? Probably not. Will we cringe with Boyle on the point worrying that about short handed opportunities by the opposition? Richards was a defensive liability. Will Boyle's presence lead to more PP goals?

Did Pouliot have career year? Wll he score 10 goals in Tampa?

Will MSL have a better offensively productive year after working with his line mates over a longer period of time? A definite possibility.

Is the 4th line weaker offensively? Does it really matter?

The lines will change. Rookies will get serious tryouts. If scoring is a problem changes will be made before the playoffs. I'm not really worried by the loss of personnel which was unavoidable.

With all that said, I worry that the team will underachieve after this past season success. My gut tells me we might see a reversion to the mean. Hopefully my fears are never realized.

Pouliot is in Edmonton. Stralman and boyle went to TBL. I think we have all come to expect a blockbuster FA signing by the Rangers. It didnt happen, and we got roleplayers instead.

Lets get ready for the season to start.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I'd love Booth at the right price. If we could get him cheap, he's got such great speed, drives the net and shoots all the time. He could be a steal.

Agreed. Would love him on a cheap deal.

 

[Riverdale]

Not a good day.

I can't believe the Tanner Glass deal. I am still having trouble believing it is real and it isn't just a figment of my imagination. It was clearly an AV move and it baffles me how coaches can have crushes on terrible players like him. I don't understand it at all.

D. Boyle. Just typical.

Glad that we got to re-sign Moore, and I liked most of the AHL deals.

We are a worse team. Not a much worse team but right now we are definitely a step back. Sather and Co. better have something in the works.

I think a lot of people are going to be upset when the younger guys don't impress. Miller might take the next step but AV seemed unimpressed with him last season. Fingers crossed...

 

[Beacon]

We need to add a lot more depth. Sign Carcillo for a million. Sign a couple of cheap guys for around a million. Hopefully Miller and Fast/Haggerty make it plus some others are also ready for a call up (Miller, Bourque, Hrivik) are good enough for a call-up. That said, I don't think we can rely on the readiness of 3-4 forward prospects in one year. Need a lot more depth, a lot more.

 

[theJUMPER]

Oh noes. We lost Boyle, Pouliet & Stralman. That's like, 40 pts next year ya'll. Where will we ever find that production!?!?

 

[Alluckks]

I guess guys like Kreider, Stepan, Hagelin, Brassard, Zucc, McDonagh don't get better as they enter their prime years...

 

[pld459666]

Rangers have to much money tied up in to few difference makers.

8.5 was 750k more than needed to be spent on Hank.

7.8 is approximately 1.8 more than Nash is worth.

Girardi makes about 500k to much.

That right there is 3 million per

Nothing to be done there now.

Sather and his cronies hitch their wagons to the wrong guys.

If we want to improve the forward ranks. We have to move Staal.

We are still a po team. But I think we just morphed into a first round exit team.

 

[Vitto79]

We are not much worse. Holes will be filled. It happens every year.

Same thoughts . Stralman was beloved it seems but boyle will do the job

Depth moves are good for CT

Moore back is important . Glass I'm not happy about but will give AV a break.

Boyle wanted a bigger role so see ya. Pouliott got stupid money . They will find a replacement for pouliott . Still time and ufas

 

[Wamsutta]

Rangers got worse, hard to be pumped about the season at this point. Maybe Sather pulls something out to at least put us even with the 13/14 squad. I doubt we'll end up better.

 

[NYRBK]

I'm not the biggest fan of Tanner Glass either, but just something to point out in comparison to Carcillo and Dorsett.

TOI/G per being Short Handed
40s for Dorsett
0s for Carcillo
1:38 for Glass
1:40 for Dom Moore
2:05 for Brian Boyle

Pittsburgh had the #5 best PK and NYR were the #3 best. You don't have to be happy with this move but clearly in still getting a guy that can fight, be a good locker room guy, and we don't loose really anything in regards to the PK, plus lastly he's more than content being a 4th liner...Yeah I'll take it.

 

[eco's bones]

Rangers have to much money tied up in to few difference makers.

8.5 was 750k more than needed to be spent on Hank.

7.8 is approximately 1.8 more than Nash is worth.

Girardi makes about 500k to much.

That right there is 3 million per

Nothing to be done there now.

Sather and his cronies hitch their wagons to the wrong guys.

If we want to improve the forward ranks. We have to move Staal.

We are still a po team. But I think we just morphed into a first round exit team.

It's not like the Nash deal was renegotiable. That contract is for a 40 goal a year player which Nash was before he came here. As for Girardi he gave the team a hometown discount to stay. It might be both he and Stralman gone this morning and if it was choosing between the two I'd have kept Dan.

The Rangers like a lot of teams expected a higher cap. They might have been able to save another player. It didn't happen but overall yesterday was no disaster. Losing the three players but especially Stralman and B. Boyle hurts but it's mitigated at least somewhat by the probability of D. Boyle enhancing our pwp.

Losing Richards IMO was addition by subtraction. We were never going to win with this guy and the proof of it was the way he wilted in the last two playoff series. If nothing else Miller should replace him and even if he only gets 30-35 points in a 3rd line role he'll bring more size and energy and a lot smaller cap hit. Teams really should bring in a couple rookies every year anyway--it makes it so much easier for teams to manage the cap.

Make room for a young kid or two. Not the end of the world.

 

[MortUWary]

This board is so funny all year long people hated Dorse who was called garbage and Richards couldn't be bought out fast enough now the same fans are crying wanting them back...Bi polar at its finest

THANK YOU!!! Between this and the uproar over the Halverson pick, I've realized that some (SOME) of the folks who post on here are beyond ridiculous in their views. I stopped listening to sports talk radio (because of the idiocy fans spewed) about a decade ago, but I may have to stop reading message boards now too!

I'm not the biggest fan of Tanner Glass either, but just something to point out in comparison to Carcillo and Dorsett.

TOI/G per being Short Handed
40s for Dorsett
0s for Carcillo
1:38 for Glass
1:40 for Dom Moore
2:05 for Brian Boyle

Pittsburgh had the #5 best PK and NYR were the #3 best. You don't have to be happy with this move but clearly in still getting a guy that can fight, be a good locker room guy, and we don't loose really anything in regards to the PK, plus lastly he's more than content being a 4th liner...Yeah I'll take it.

...and THANK YOU! Slats, Gorton and brass didn't bring Glass in to fill a top 6 role. Do I like the money? No. Am I willing to wait and see before I dislike the signing? Yes. The season doesn't start tomorrow. 88 more days to go until the puck drops on the 2014-15 season, people. Take some deep breaths until camp opens.

 

[Wolfy*]

No wonder Zucc, for the first time, considers another team for the future.

 

[LORDE]

2 million is too much for Boyle, especially when we're trying to fit our RFAs under the cap. I'd rather have Kreider MZA Brass than Brian Boyle and Stralman

How can u say 2M for Boyle is too much when we signed Glass to 1.5/3yrs!?!

Ridiculous.

Now Boyle wanted an expanded role and he wasn't getting that here... He's gone, got it. But it damn well shouldn't be over 500k.

The team is SIGNIFICANTLY worse today... We have some time... True... But no $... And very little trade bait. Maybe a young D man, maybe Talbot becomes a trade, but the cap space is the issue with moving guys like that. You can't upgrade to anything but young & or cheap.

Staal is the only piece we can move for an upgrade and if you move him you better have a young replacement READY to step in and play big minutes. READY being the key ingredient.

 

[Idlerlee]

I'm not the biggest fan of Tanner Glass either, but just something to point out in comparison to Carcillo and Dorsett.

TOI/G per being Short Handed
40s for Dorsett
0s for Carcillo
1:38 for Glass
1:40 for Dom Moore
2:05 for Brian Boyle

Pittsburgh had the #5 best PK and NYR were the #3 best. You don't have to be happy with this move but clearly in still getting a guy that can fight, be a good locker room guy, and we don't loose really anything in regards to the PK, plus lastly he's more than content being a 4th liner...Yeah I'll take it.

The problem with being a 4th liner is that the Rangers dont really have 4th liners, the 4th line almost always play big minutes. Do we really want 13-14 minutes of Tanner Glass every ******* game ? Im much depressed

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Last Season:
Hagelin - Richards - MSL

Next Season:
Hagelin - Miller - MSL

Result:
Worse. Richards scored what, almost 50 points? I'd be shocked if Miller does the same.

If you want to evaluate line by line, fine. You don't think the Rangers can make up Ricahrds' production by getting slightly more from Stepan, Nash, Kreider, Hagelin, Miller, St. Louis and Zuccarello? And part of the Boyle addition was to offset the loss of Richards.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How can u say 2M for Boyle is too much when we signed Glass to 1.5/3yrs!?!

Ridiculous.

Now Boyle wanted an expanded role and he wasn't getting that here... He's gone, got it. But it damn well shouldn't be over 500k.

Truth.

I would have understood the penny pinching in the bottom 6 and letting Boyle go HAD THEY NOT SIGNED GLASS FOR 3 YEARS. Theres no excuse for it.

 

[Off Sides]

I just don't see any long term planning here. Dan Boyle, Tanner Glass? Maybe they add a couple cheap leftover UFAs to short term deals should those players not be able to find anything better.

Not that I really want to see them handing out long terms to older players but they really could not find any youngish UFAs to give 3-4 year deals to that could possible play on the top 6-9F or top 4D?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The moves that were made yesterday are for this year and next. In the next two seasons the Rangers will have the following core players up for new deals:

St. Louis
Stepan
Hagelin
Brassard
Staal
Kreider
A back up goalie

The Rangers got caught a bit with the cap not going up as much as expected. But hard decisions needed to he made. But a few hundred thousand or a few million here and an extra year there adds up.

 

[Tawnos]

I just don't see any long term planning here. Dan Boyle, Tanner Glass? Maybe they add a couple cheap leftover UFAs to short term deals should those players not be able to find anything better.

Not that I really want to see them handing out long terms to older players but they really could not find any youngish UFAs to give 3-4 year deals to that could possible play on the top 6-9F or top 4D?

Signing Boyle for 2 years represents long-term planning.

 

[Off Sides]

Signing Boyle for 2 years represents long-term planning.

How so?

The RFAs this year Zucc and Brassard are a year from UFA status, Rangers do not have the space to buy up any of their UFA years. They could both be UFAs as soon as next off-season while Boyle is still taking up 4.5M of cap space.

Next off-season Stepan and Hagelin will both be one year away, same deal.