Confirmed with Link: July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part II

[MartysMidgetMeat]

You said better than Thornton - Kadri is not that. Toronto is looking to add not subtract.
Again, Ottawa just traded away Spezza, if you think they are going to trade away any of their legitimate center depth you're dreaming.
Same with Colorado. I'll say again - they just lost a top center. They're not going to be looking to trade any of those players away.
Rangers aren't moving those right pieces for Eric because moving them creates a gap elsewhere

I'm sorry but id rather Stepan and Kadri. Than Thorton and stepan for one season and then just being left with Step and brass.

 

[AHB*]

I liked Dan Boyle a few years back... I still think he adds tools no one currently has albeit in a slower body. The years make sense for this bumbling org. Right now.

Im not a big fan of Girardi.

Dan Boyle's tools are not what they used to be, specifically on the PP. I have a strong feeling he will be a major disappointment here.

 

[chosen]

Both opinions are impossible to prove, so who is right and who is wrong? Also, who cares who is right and who is wrong. IF you think you are going to change someones mind on this board you have come to the wrong place...


I guess things were better in the old days..

I am not trying to prove anything. I didn't even have an opinion on this topic. I only asked what the original statement was based upon.

For some reason my asking the question annoyed you.

 

[Ail]

I get that, but I mean, what else can we do? With our current cap constraints, losing people was inevitable. There was just no way we could keep the squad intact.

It's worth keeping in mind that Boyle was acquired for a third, and Stralman and Pouliot were basically throwaway free agents. Obviously you can't bank on those home run acquisitions all the time, but it's not as if we've lost cornerstone pieces. Midway through the season, Boyle was mediocre and everyone still hated Pouliot.

I still maintain that Richards will be the hardest to replace, and we HAD to do that. We all should have been prepared for a tough offseason.

It seems like they pretty much had to do everything aside from sign Tanner Glass. Boyle and Stralman basically had an idea of what they wanted and it didn't include NY. Pouliot took the payday. So for that much I don't blame management. You're right that this is really the only option.

Either way I just don't feel confident they will ice a team that will give them a better chance to win than they did last year. This is a step backward in the short term and while I would normally be for that, after reaching the finals it is a tough pill to swallow.

Maybe the Rangers prospects can come in like the kids LA, Boston and Chicago have and make a difference. That's their only hope, imo.

 

[Championship*]

I'm sorry but id rather Stepan and Kadri. Than Thorton and stepan for one season and then just being left with Step and brass.

That's fine. But there's been no recent indications that Kadri would even be available on top of the fact that Toronto needs MORE center depth and not less.


So your original assertion of there are plenty other options out there doesn't really hold water.

Edit: Thornton isn't a UFA after this season, either.

 

[MartysMidgetMeat]

That's fine. But there's been no recent indications that Kadri would even be available on top of the fact that Toronto needs MORE center depth and not less.


So your original assertion of there are plenty other options out there doesn't really hold water.

Trade Staal and Brass for Kadri And Gardnier. Staal automatically becomes their best Dman and they get brass to fill Kadris slot.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hagelin to Colorado for RoR

Staal Automatically is their best Dman and they get brass for 3c or hags to play with Mckinnon.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hags to Ottawa
Get Turris or Zibanejad and a defenseman.
Again Staal is their best Dman. And Brass fills turris/Zibans spot.

These trades are definitely possible. Rangers just need to not be lazy and take the easy simple way.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Staal is not ideal. But if you're going to compare Staals fitness and Athleticism to Thortons well...

Where did I compare Staal to Thornton? If you are going to compare Thornton and Staal why not look at Thornton's career production to Staal's? And the winner is?

Thornton at .99ppg for his career. Staal? .89.

Who produced more last season despite being 5 years older? (hint hint: Thornton).

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

D. Boyle adds another dimension to the defense, which I am happy about.

For all of Stralman's possession stats, it never translated to creating any offense whatsoever for himself. Girardi, Staal, and Klein can do the heavy lifting on the defensive side of the puck.

I agree. We needed more blue line offense.

The urgency to resign Staal becomes a little more pressing. If Skjei comes in and blows everyone away with his play in the next 2 years, you can always find a suitor for Staal and a nice return.

Staal-Boyle should be fun to watch. I'm a little afraid that Boyle will come in and severely underwhelm defensively, though. He really looked like a vegetable at times.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Trade Staal and Brass for Kadri And Gardnier. Staal automatically becomes their best Dman and they get brass to fill Kadris slot.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hagelin to Colorado for RoR

Staal Automatically is their best Dman and they get brass for 3c or hags to play with Mckinnon.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hags to Ottawa
Get Turris or Zibanejad and a defenseman.
Again Staal is their best Dman. And Brass fills turris/Zibans spot.

These trades are definitely possible. Rangers just need to not be lazy and take the easy simple way.

Those trades are whats lazy. And, to boot, every one makes the Rangers worse.

The Rangers will need all the defense they can get with the D. Boyle for Stralman swap.

You mention how Staal becomes the other teams best defenseman in every proposal. Hes also the best player in every proposal. I'll keep him, thank you very much.

 

[Championship*]

Trade Staal and Brass for Kadri And Gardnier. Staal automatically becomes their best Dman and they get brass to fill Kadris slot.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hagelin to Colorado for RoR

Staal Automatically is their best Dman and they get brass for 3c or hags to play with Mckinnon.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hags to Ottawa
Get Turris or Zibanejad and a defenseman.
Again Staal is their best Dman. And Brass fills turris/Zibans spot.

These trades are definitely possible. Rangers just need to not be lazy and take the easy simple way.

And then you wake up.

You can indulge in these fantasies as much as you want. But the fact remains that:
1) most if not all if these players are unavailable - a point you just can't get through your head for some reason
2) you're only creating more holes with these fantasy trades of yours
3) most of those trades are BAD

 

[MartysMidgetMeat]

Where did I compare Staal to Thornton? If you are going to compare Thornton and Staal why not look at Thornton's career production to Staal's? And the winner is?

Thing is Staal would be a productive ranger for 3-4 years where thorton would be one or two. Again Stat wise thorton is obviously better. But staals physical style and the fact Jumbo chokes vanishing act is still going strong? Id take E Staal lol.

 

[Miamipuck]

I agree. We needed more blue line offense.

The urgency to resign Staal becomes a little more pressing. If Skjei comes in and blows everyone away with his play in the next 2 years, you can always find a suitor for Staal and a nice return.

Staal-Boyle should be fun to watch. I'm a little afraid that Boyle will come in and severely underwhelm defensively, though. He really looked like a vegetable at times.

Skjei is more than likely at least a year and a half away, figuring another year of college and 1/2 a year in Hartford. I have only seen a few of his games and his skating is as advertised but I don't think you're going to get a ton of offense from him at the NHL level.

Trading Staal in his last year won't be easy. GM's aren't dumb, they are going to give awful proposals and if they don't, you're going to have to a difficult time finding a good match as far as an actual return and the contra teams future cap space.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Trade Staal and Brass for Kadri And Gardnier. Staal automatically becomes their best Dman and they get brass to fill Kadris slot.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hagelin to Colorado for RoR

Staal Automatically is their best Dman and they get brass for 3c or hags to play with Mckinnon.

Trade Staal, Brass/Hags to Ottawa
Get Turris or Zibanejad and a defenseman.
Again Staal is their best Dman. And Brass fills turris/Zibans spot.

These trades are definitely possible. Rangers just need to not be lazy and take the easy simple way.

Yeah about that...Erik Karlsson says hi.

Look, I get moving Staal could help long term, but he only has a year left, he may not yield as much as we expect. There's no way Ottawa is giving us Turris or Zibby unless we overpay.

MAYBE Staal+Miller/Lindberg/Nieves + Kristo and a 2nd/3rd for Weircioch + Turris

Don't really see us gutting more depth...

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Wouldn't mind taking a flier on David Booth as a potential Poo replacement.

 

[MartysMidgetMeat]

Those trades are whats lazy. And, to boot, every one makes the Rangers worse.

The Rangers will need all the defense they can get with the D. Boyle for Stralman swap.

You mention how Staal becomes the other teams best defenseman in every proposal. Hes also the best player in every proposal. I'll keep him, thank you very much.

Obviously Staal is the best piece. I didnt feel like speculating on the draft picks the rangers would also get. Staals value is at its highest right now. So the rangers need to take advantage and not lose him for nothing to UFA After Next Season.

Rangers either need A elite 1 center Or another Center like Kadri to keep Stepan honest and competing for the #1 roll

 

[haveandare]

Looks like a worse team on paper, no question. But, it's still July 2 and things will change.

Also, I have a hard time putting stock into some posters whining about how bad this team looks compared to last years after they whined last year about how bad that team looked too.

 

[Miamipuck]

Wouldn't mind taking a flier on David Booth as a potential Poo replacement.

In the flake department certainly.

Admittedly, I haven't seen much/enough of him in Vancouver but when he was down here he was fast as can be but not physical in the least and an injury concern, Richards kill shotted him and his career. That was one of the more egregious hits I have ever seen.

 

[Trxjw]

HF is always the place where everyone clamors for kids, and a concerted youth movement. Now we find ourselves in a situation where we're going to have a few kids assuming large responsibilities, and we're complaining. Go figure.

I think the "play the kids" bit was born out of the team floundering and that the team ought to retool with a younger squad. Now that we're 3 weeks removed from a SCF, I think it's reasonable for that thought to change a bit. Especially now that we've added two 35+ players to the roster. Adding young kids to the roster because they earned it is a great thing. Being forced to ice them because the team put themselves in a cap crunch is another.

 

[nyr2k2]

It seems like they pretty much had to do everything aside from sign Tanner Glass. Boyle and Stralman basically had an idea of what they wanted and it didn't include NY. Pouliot took the payday. So for that much I don't blame management. You're right that this is really the only option.

Either way I just don't feel confident they will ice a team that will give them a better chance to win than they did last year. This is a step backward in the short term and while I would normally be for that, after reaching the finals it is a tough pill to swallow.

Maybe the Rangers prospects can come in like the kids LA, Boston and Chicago have and make a difference. That's their only hope, imo.

Agreed. The Tanner Glass thing was the only move I found upsetting.

If, say, Miller, Fast and Allen are ready to establish themselves next year, we're good to go. If they're not ready, we're probably an eight seed that goes out in round one.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think the "play the kids" bit was born out of the team floundering and that the team ought to retool with a younger squad. Now that we're 3 weeks removed from a SCF, I think it's reasonable for that thought to change a bit. Especially now that we've added two 35+ players to the roster. Adding young kids to the roster because they earned it is a great thing. Being forced to ice them because the team put themselves in a cap crunch is another.

The Rangers went all-in with the win-now stuff with the MSL trade, and it almost worked.

They still want to win now, but they are pretty much forced to play the kids due to the cap crunch. Seems like a conflict of interest, no?

 

[haveandare]

I think the "play the kids" bit was born out of the team floundering and that the team ought to retool with a younger squad. Now that we're 3 weeks removed from a SCF, I think it's reasonable for that thought to change a bit. Especially now that we've added two 35+ players to the roster. Adding young kids to the roster because they earned it is a great thing. Being forced to ice them because the team put themselves in a cap crunch is another.

They're not forced in until they're forced in.

Maybe some do earn it. Maybe they don't and cheap placeholders are bought in.

It's july 2.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Agreed. The Tanner Glass thing was the only move I found upsetting.

If, say, Miller, Fast and Allen are ready to establish themselves next year, we're good to go. If they're not ready, we're probably an eight seed that goes out in round one.

Honestly, I don't even know if I'd say that - this division as a whole is still pretty unimpressive. Even if we do barely sneak in, I could easily see us getting through a round or two. With Hank and McD, we will always have a chance.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Thing is Staal would be a productive ranger for 3-4 years where thorton would be one or two. Again Stat wise thorton is obviously better. But staals physical style and the fact Jumbo chokes vanishing act is still going strong? Id take E Staal lol.

How is Joe Thornton a vanishing act who chokes? Do you bother to look at his numbers before you spew this BS? Throughout his playoff career he has averaged .757 ppg.

Understand I am not advocating a trade for him, rather I am correcting a boatload of wrong information.

 

[nyr2k2]

I'd be pretty surprised if we didn't make one significant trade before the season. Slats likes to make moves--he's a tinkerer--and given our cap situation, it just feels like a trade is a certainty.

 

[Fitzy]

The defense seems well set to me:

The problem is that our entire bottom 6 is a mess, including the third line.