Confirmed with Link: JT Miller traded to NYR for Chytil, Mancini, 1st round pick (protected)
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eco's bones
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Well JT did go over 100 last year. This deal is much to do with Mika hitting the skids hard. Basically his line disappeared and it discombobulated the rest of the team. I don't think the Rangers have the stomach to blow things up every 5/6 years so it's try to fix shit first. I also think they have leeway with the cap going up and with several ELC players who could push for NHL playing time in the next year or two. They should make the cap more manageable and might help get us through transitioning from the veterans who might not be able to cut it anymore.
I think Mika is going to be one of those and Kreider possibly too. Having cap space can help a team fix issues. Finding another team for Mika though just might be No. 1 on the to do list.
100 point center?
Smart money is that Miller is a full time winger within 40 games back in this organization.
Smart money is that Miller is a full time winger within 40 games back in this organization.
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Just confirming you meant the Red Wings right?
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Under the skin or not, he was a 100 point center whether you like it or not.
He may never be for the Rangers but he will always be the above
Only on these boards is 103 point center, 99 in another year in 80 games, and a 30/50 guy the last three years not a 100 point center because he's now a Ranger.
I really don't see what Drury is doing here. Maybe if the rangers continue to play themselves out of the playoff picture JTM will be willing to be traded again and they can get better value? In terms of value it makes sense but this kind of just made the team more of a mess.
Canucks fan here, can anyone give me a run down on the players we acquired? It would be most appreciated.
I see some Canuck fans have already commented on Miller, but happy to jump in on that as well.
I see some Canuck fans have already commented on Miller, but happy to jump in on that as well.
As a 40 plus year Canuck fan, who actually semi cheers for the Rangers even though you beat us in 94, I am happy for JT to get out of Van to a city he loves and to a team that will appreciate him, Rangers fans are some of the toughest but most loving of their team in hockey.
I love hockey, and don't get emotional over it as I have aged and just love the game vs being "attached" to players and even my team, but this one hurt
You guys got our HEART and SOUL. This guy is a f***ing WARRIOR, he competes hard and sure makes some errors, and sure can lose his temper, but its because he f***ING CARES SO MUCH AND JUST WANTS TO WIN.
The canucks have irreversably hurt their franchise because Petterson is a mentally and physically weak player who can;t handle pressure and now will have to take on the matchups Miller took. Note he shut down McDavid and Drai in the playoffs, that;s how good he is. With bread man he's going to put up 100pts easy next year
You guys stole a gem. I'm cheering for rangers to make the playoffs and win a cup with JT. And I hope when he's interviewed on the ice he says "I want to thank Elias Petterson for running me out of town and being a Bitch, because now I have a cup". He wouldn't because he's too classy but it would be nice.
Canucks fooked themsleves (yet again) to your benefit. Be good to him. He'll give you fans everything he has. That I can promise.
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I love hockey, and don't get emotional over it as I have aged and just love the game vs being "attached" to players and even my team, but this one hurt
You guys got our HEART and SOUL. This guy is a f***ing WARRIOR, he competes hard and sure makes some errors, and sure can lose his temper, but its because he f***ING CARES SO MUCH AND JUST WANTS TO WIN.
The canucks have irreversably hurt their franchise because Petterson is a mentally and physically weak player who can;t handle pressure and now will have to take on the matchups Miller took. Note he shut down McDavid and Drai in the playoffs, that;s how good he is. With bread man he's going to put up 100pts easy next year
You guys stole a gem. I'm cheering for rangers to make the playoffs and win a cup with JT. And I hope when he's interviewed on the ice he says "I want to thank Elias Petterson for running me out of town and being a Bitch, because now I have a cup". He wouldn't because he's too classy but it would be nice.
Canucks fooked themsleves (yet again) to your benefit. Be good to him. He'll give you fans everything he has. That I can promise.
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He;s a beast in the circle guy. If he's on the wing he's still taking the draws
How so? I think most fans would trade Mika for a low pick. Miller was actually a good player. Anything we can get for him would be a bonus of ridding his contract and on ice play.
Hey Neighbor Friends. Question - in his first stint with NYR - does anybody remember who usually was on JT's line? Did he ever play with Kreider or Mika prior?
He played wing primarily when he was here and Kevin Hayes was his most common center.
Are we supposed to call every something based on future production? I'm very confused. Connor McDavid the 60 point center because that's what he'll have at 42.
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Not honestly seeing much of that. I think what I said prior is probably in the ballpark of how most see it. Part of that post:
Miller was 9th in points last season and even with the locker room turmoil this season, he is still near a PPG. This team has not had a 1C of this caliber in ages. If he can be a bonafide 1C for a season or 2, and slide down to a lower role as he ages, he’d be relatively worth his cap hit. Especially since we acquired him at dimes on the dollar.
No mention of scoring expectations. Yes, scoring matters, but I don’t think it’s the only key here. I think the team would benefit from an identity shift. I think Miller’s style, along with his connection to Trochek, can help be a catalyst for that. Also from that prior post:
The fact that Miller already played here, waived to come here, and has a history with Tro – who I would say is as close as we have to a de facto captain – means Miller probably feels more at home here and less likely to be a headache.
Expanding on that with Thochek’s own thoughts:
"He’s my best friend in the world. I think this had been a pipe dream for – 10 years in the making, I feel like. Obviously came in the League around the same time. Grew up since we were nine years old together, lived about 500 yards from each other back in Pittsburgh. Our kids are really close. We’ve been talking about it forever. It means a lot."
Miller’s gritty and his bond with Trochek could be a plus. Cuz this team does everything like a cluster of f***ing marshmallows and a change in direction is sorely needed.
Yes, I expect Miller will score. Yes, having a solid 1C is great. But I am also hoping the team’s identity moves in a better direction.
I normally loathe bringing in guys this age. In this instance, for reasons just stated, as well as a few others, this is a trade I can get behind, especially based on cost to acquire, timing, and needs.
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I believe Vince has played more than Zibs this season and last season. Thinking Zibs will play more than JT is silly imo.
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This is HF NYR, most of us have been keeping tabs on JT since before we drafted him
For me personally I think we shouldn’t have shipped him along with Mac to Tampa, but rooster-wise it was the right thing back then.
With Zibby not carrying his development since becoming a dad this will help to re-establish a first line again.
Enjoy Chytil and Mancini, great players.
Imho (and in Swedish) I would rather have JT than EP, always been a whiny entitled bozo.
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chytil is a classic cock tease. Great size, great skater, can make some impressive physical plays and can dominate on the puck. But he’s made of glass and often lacks finish. If he can stay healthy, he has potential to be a 60-70 point guy.
Mancini is a decent prospect who could maybe turn into a decent 2nd pairing offensive D but more likely he’s a high end tweener.
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Sorry but unless Brannstrom actually improves his game dramatically if he's anything like he was for Van you def. won't want him as your 6/7 or anywhere near a pro lineup. He came in and we gave him a good shot but his defensive metrics were bottom barrel for us and he got sent to the AHL Team.........(he passed thru waivers) where...............he's proceeded to light it up and help the team there on a 8 game win streak.........
So who knows ? Maybe he will figure it out but to refer to him as a solid 6/7 so far has not at all been proven to be anywhere near correct...........he's pretty small as well - Van management didn't' like that either I think.......
OOOOORRRRRRR.......
He's a giant man baby who is great when things are going well, and turns into a tantrum throwing bitch baby when he's not having his way, people aren't doing what he wants, or the going gets tough.
But truthfully, it's probably somewhere in the middle between the two above takes.
haohmaru
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Mika hasn't had a great year and I have no idea if this is a one-off or a trend. He looked a TON better with Miller on his line (credit to Miller) in a one game look.
Would I trade Mika for a low pick? Like, what are we talking here, a 3rd or something like that? No. He still has value as a PK'er and probably as a 2/3C defensive center.
Whatever his role/magic was with Kreider it's seriously diminished due to Mika's play and equally Kreider's play. They have both been a shadow of themselves.
No, I hope he finds his game instead of jettisoning a contract you can probably afford for the next few years. Quality centers are hard to find and nearly impossible with low draft picks.
As Friedman always says, I'd rather fix a problem than get rid of one.
I'm not sure it's possible to fix him though. Hard to tell if he just lost his game or if it's a down season. Either way, right now he shouldn't be our #1 center. Laviolette should have just swapped Miller in for Mika and put Mika on the third line.
Mancini already called up for Vancouver. Wonder if he plays. Not sure hes ready yet, but their defensemen after Quinn and Hronek are an absolute shit show.
I don't know if this point was made, but I really like this move as a retool precurser, especially with a little bit of luck on a dice roll. Say we avoid the worst-case scenario and end up keeping this year's pick in the 9–12 range, pick up a few more on expiring contracts (I really don't think it's too much of a stretch to hope Lindgren could return a late 1st, as much as we hate him), then retool using the Caps model.
We would potentially be back in the mix next year with a radically different look on defense than we did going into this season — with a potentially gamebreaking talent at C that provides an element that this team's forward corps is severely lacking.
It'd feel pretty awful if we picked 12/13 this year and somehow ended up giving Vancouver a higher pick next year, but I think that the likelihood of that happening is so small that you have to pull the trigger on this.
We would potentially be back in the mix next year with a radically different look on defense than we did going into this season — with a potentially gamebreaking talent at C that provides an element that this team's forward corps is severely lacking.
It'd feel pretty awful if we picked 12/13 this year and somehow ended up giving Vancouver a higher pick next year, but I think that the likelihood of that happening is so small that you have to pull the trigger on this.
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