Confirmed with Link: JT Miller to Take Indefinite Leave of Absence for Personal Reasons

[VintageBure]

Life happens and everyone may need to take time off work or hobbies to re set. I predict we will see the best version of JT when he’s back.

 

[bossram]

Its not the same. You are hidden, possibly 1000s of miles away.

Its definitely anonymity still.

I really don't think the anonymity is a factor. Like I said, people say vile stuff on Facebook, and for most people, that is their real name/identity. Hell, some of the worst posters/takists on Twitter use their real names. I think using their real names actually might drive even worse commentary - related to my point about social media incentives, it gives them more notoriety and drives their following. More attention.

Not just that.

You dont feel the same kind of empathy because they are typing at a screen.

If you said these things and saw someone change their facial expressions in real time as they go through the negative emotions you are causing.... and able to post the vile shit, you are probably someone that should be watched very carefully.

Yep.

I think this point is more or less related to my point about a lack of "consequences" for not ever really interacting with the person.

 

[iceburg]

Life happens and everyone may need to take time off work or hobbies to re set. I predict we will see the best version of JT when he’s back.

I was wondering this myself. It's kind of unintended load management with JT and Demko.

By all the reporting it seems that Demko has been close and able to workout for several weeks now. When he comes back fully healthy he can get his 30-40 games in and be peaking at playoff time and have a lot of gas left in the tank. Will the same be said about JT when all is said and done? We'll see.

 

[Brookbank]

Life happens and everyone may need to take time off work or hobbies to re set. I predict we will see the best version of JT when he’s back.

Petterson has been playing though it all, while being called a baby by Miller and getting way more pressure in the media.

I really doubt that it's that

 

[Ernie]

Petterson has been playing though it all, while being called a baby by Miller and getting way more pressure in the media.

I really doubt that it is just that.

Yep some posters here have said absolutely horrible things about Pettersson but are now giving Miller a pass.

I think both players are super important for this team but worth mentioning Pettersson just kept playing through his issues despite all the hate. You'd think after having Naslund and the Sedins be the faces of this franchise for so many years that fans would be ok with personalities that aren't just "big macho hockey guy" but the Don Cherry caveman attitude persists.

 

[sting101]

This Miller vs Pettersson diatribe never ends... jeesh

Petterson has been playing though it all, while being called a baby by Miller and getting way more pressure in the media.

I really doubt that it's that

He never implied anything about EP40?

Yep some posters here have said absolutely horrible things about Pettersson but are now giving Miller a pass.

I think both players are super important for this team but worth mentioning Pettersson just kept playing through his issues despite all the hate. You'd think after having Naslund and the Sedins be the faces of this franchise for so many years that fans would be ok with personalities that aren't just "big macho hockey guy" but the Don Cherry caveman attitude persists.

It just might be that someone struggled amongst rumours he might want to force his way out of Vancouver then got a massive raise leaving nothing on the table and followed by being bad and soft during the Canucks best chance to win since 2012 and have nothing to do with Miller??

 

[FuzzyTitus]

I really don't think the anonymity is a factor. Like I said, people say vile stuff on Facebook, and for most people, that is their real name/identity. Hell, some of the worst posters/takists on Twitter use their real names. I think using their real names actually might drive even worse commentary - related to my point about social media incentives, it gives them more notoriety and drives their following. More attention.



I think this point is more or less related to my point about a lack of "consequences" for not ever really interacting with the person.

People are 1,000% more brave when they aren't in actually front of people. I don't think it's consequences, they've removed themselves from the fact there's a legitimate human on the other side. 0 forks given. In person, they often turn to muffins.

 

[Ernie]

It just might be that someone struggled amongst rumours he might want to force his way out of Vancouver then got a massive raise leaving nothing on the table and followed by being bad and soft during the Canucks best chance to win since 2012 and have nothing to do with Miller??

He did leave money on the table, he could have gotten $1m more on the market, perhaps more.

I don't know why fans are so butthurt about him wanting to wait and see. All the team did was lose for his first 6 years here. You get the same posters who are soooo angry at Benning but ignore that Pettersson played under his ineptitude for way too many years. It would make me pull my hair out to have that guy as my boss.

When he saw that things were different, he re-signed. Sure, he waited a couple more months and that made fans feel anxious, but nothing he did was unreasonable.

 

[Curm]

I hope all is well for Miller, and his family, but between this, the Demko injury, Joshua's cancer, Boeser's cheap shot and resulting injury, and Pettersson funk, that's a boatload of adversity involving the core of the team.

Once all is resolved, and hopefully everybody is healthy and back to their old ways, they could be a better club for it. I'm also glad it's occurring in the first quarter of the season and not the last quarter.

 

[ChilliBilly]

History repeats itself. Every time a new communications medium takes over, it has been co-opted by disinformation spreaders as well as revolutionaries.

In the mid 1800s it was the "wide awakes" revolution driven by the literacy boom and the printing press - hordes of people literally threw printing presses into rivers from authors they hated. This led to Lincoln's rise and the civil war.

How a Newspaper Revolution Led to the 'Wide Awakes'—and the Civil War

In the mid-1800s, a boom in media outlets created a massive political movement—and plenty of disinformation.

www.atlasobscura.com

In the early 1900s it was radio and later, TV fueling nationalism and two world wars.

Today it's the Internet and especially social media driving disinformation, manipulation and polarization.

It's not a good look if history is any guide.

There is a book by James Fell coming out soon (next year I believe). it's called "Greedy Sexist Religious Bigots: A History of Humanity." His first two books On this day in History Shit went Down vol 1 & 2 are full of swearing and very interesting and amusing facts about each day of the year. Very worth while.

Edit - I bought 3 signed copies of each of them. excellent WC visitation reading material. Gave copies to my 2 best friends.

 

[M2Beezy]

Man I love (and now miss) those JT Miller chants

 

[mriswith]

Yep some posters here have said absolutely horrible things about Pettersson but are now giving Miller a pass.

I think both players are super important for this team but worth mentioning Pettersson just kept playing through his issues despite all the hate. You'd think after having Naslund and the Sedins be the faces of this franchise for so many years that fans would be ok with personalities that aren't just "big macho hockey guy" but the Don Cherry caveman attitude persists.

The funny thing to me is I think EP is a little too macho for his own good, he wants to hit and be physical a little too much and he's overly stoic. It's just that somehow in hockey culture stoicism and emotional control are seen as not manly, and temper tantrums are seen as displays of manliness, a notion that is ass backwards to how most of the rest of the world views it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I really don't think the anonymity is a factor. Like I said, people say vile stuff on Facebook, and for most people, that is their real name/identity. Hell, some of the worst posters/takists on Twitter use their real names. I think using their real names actually might drive even worse commentary - related to my point about social media incentives, it gives them more notoriety and drives their following. More attention.

The people they are responding to are not physical humans but pictures and names.

I think you must understand the abstraction that this causes to understand the phenomeno of people acting online in ways they would NEVER act in face to face interactions.

I think this point is more or less related to my point about a lack of "consequences" for not ever really interacting with the person.

I think its more about our empathy / sympathy circuits not firing because of the things I mentioned.

This Miller vs Pettersson diatribe never ends... jeesh


He never implied anything about EP40?

It just might be that someone struggled amongst rumours he might want to force his way out of Vancouver then got a massive raise leaving nothing on the table and followed by being bad and soft during the Canucks best chance to win since 2012 and have nothing to do with Miller??

No there is 100% a double standard.

And its very easy to see why its happening.

Also a ton of ego involved. People made them selves look a bit silly insisting EP was healthy while you can see his skating metrics are in the tank, and now they dont want to admit that. Instead they make more and more ridiculous claims instead.


But on topic. This Miller leave of absence might actually be a positive sign that the management and health department has learned from their previous mistakes.

 

[Raistlin]

I really don't think the anonymity is a factor. Like I said, people say vile stuff on Facebook, and for most people, that is their real name/identity. Hell, some of the worst posters/takists on Twitter use their real names. I think using their real names actually might drive even worse commentary - related to my point about social media incentives, it gives them more notoriety and drives their following. More attention.



I think this point is more or less related to my point about a lack of "consequences" for not ever really interacting with the person.

Anonymity and not having to deal with consequences of your words are very much linked.

Anonymity makes regularly timid personalities lash out and say stuff they they don't want associated with themselves, just opens the door for more trolling. The ability to log off and not having to deal with irresponsible and damaging remarks or comebacks emboldens the troll to do it again, it's a rush of getting away with lashing out.

 

[Raistlin]

EP dealing with injury or confidence issues stoicly while not missing games is due to his belief that he can overcome it by simply repeating the process and working out the kinks. People are frustrated because it's not working. His caring about social media is a bad practice which he reluctantly abandoned finally. That move people applauded because he's trying something different and breaking a spiral. We almost see results instantaneously.

Miller taking time off to decompress is because he reached a point where he believe he cannot overcome the mental pressure he puts on himself, and forces himself to distance. They are not comparable and many are giving Miller a pass because they acknowledge that this is not a step to take lightly, and this is his deleting social media moment where he seeks external help. Why would you fault a guy for taking drastic steps??

 

[PuckMunchkin]

EP dealing with injury or confidence issues stoicly while not missing games is due to his belief that he can overcome it by simply repeating the process and working out the kinks. People are frustrated because it's not working. His caring about social media is a bad practice which he reluctantly abandoned finally. That move people applauded because he's trying something different and breaking a spiral. We almost see results instantaneously.

Miller taking time off to decompress is because he reached a point where he believe he cannot overcome the mental pressure he puts on himself, and forces himself to distance. They are not comparable and many are giving Miller a pass because they acknowledge that this is not a step to take lightly, and this is his deleting social media moment where he seeks external help. Why would you fault a guy for taking drastic steps??

Are these REALLY just the players decisions?

If this is true its a horrifically backwards process in the NHL for 2024.

 

[Raistlin]

Are these REALLY just the players decisions?

If this is true its a horrifically backwards process in the NHL for 2024.

If a player won't or cannot put into words what's going on in their heads, how do a third party diagnose them? You then just assume they are slumping, and the coach gives them a technical breakdown of their game. A great coach will coax them to reveal the mental deficiencies that's creeping into their game. Is tocchet that guy? He was with Kessel.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

If a player won't or cannot put into words what's going on in their heads, how do a third party diagnose them? You then just assume they are slumping, and the coach gives them a technical breakdown of their game. A great coach will coax them to reveal the mental deficiencies that's creeping into their game. Is tocchet that guy? He was with Kessel.

I keep hearing this about Mikheyevs knee stuff, Petterssons physical and mental health. That its just on the player to know and decide.

Do they not evaluate the players physical and mental conditions as the season progresses at all?