Proposal: JT Miller@ %50 to Minny

[Groo]

I’m hurting because I’m telling people to actually use their brains and think before they post?

LMFAO, ok.

Physician heal thyself

 

[John Johnson]

No, you unwittingly continue to do so and it’s hilarious to watch.

If you don’t see how asking if someone is “hurting” on a hockey forum because they told you to actually think before you post is preposterous, you might want to re-evaluate things.

I’m done here though, you’ve proven my point plenty.

For the last time, I didn't specifically say you were hurting, my god. I asked "WHO is this hurting?" as in who is getting hurt from reading bad trade proposals. The answer should be nobody, obviously because that would be dumb to get hurt over such a trivial thing. Stop taking it like I'm attacking you personally because I'm not.

 

[Peter Griffin]

For the last time, I didn't specifically say you were hurting, my god. I asked "WHO is this hurting?" as in who is getting hurt from reading bad trade proposals. The answer should be nobody, obviously because that would be dumb to get hurt over such a trivial thing. Stop taking it like I'm attacking you personally because I'm not.

Maybe the poster thought you wrote, “You! Is this hurting?”.

 

[Hoglander]

 

[John Johnson]

Maybe the poster thought you wrote, “You! Is this hurting?”.

Lmao I guess so

 

[MK9]

Yes you are, you are getting heated over trade proposals that will likely never happen, on a website nobody cares about. "That'll be the day when they stop making bad trade proposals rofl" I wish you knew how goofy that sounds.

I don't know if that's hyperbole, but I do know that if it's not, it's at least a flat out misread.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Can we focus on the fact that there are Wild fans claiming they can't squeeze JT Miller at 2.6M into the salary cap structure? It's weird to me

 

[strattonius]

Can we focus on the fact that there are Wild fans claiming they can't squeeze JT Miller at 2.6M into the salary cap structure? It's weird to me

Yeah point per game center plays all situations signed 2.6 for 2 years - and a late 1st and Lambos are 'off the table'.

I get it. Guerin won't move a Boldy or Rossi it would be an enormous gamble. But if you want a premier forward at 50% who is already on a friendly contract, Boldy or Rossi would be where the conversation is. That's precisely why these teams are not a good match and a trade is very unlikely.

The idea of a 2 yr rental is precisely why Miller's value is so ridiculously high and as the trade deadline approaches I just really doubt a GM will splurge on JTM. Trading Miller in the off season when there are more players in the game driving up prices is looking more and more likely with each day that passes.

 

[Bazeek]

Yeah point per game center plays all situations signed 2.6 for 2 years - and a late 1st and Lambos are 'off the table'.

I get it. Guerin won't move a Boldy or Rossi it would be an enormous gamble. But if you want a premier forward at 50% who is already on a friendly contract, Boldy or Rossi would be where the conversation is. That's precisely why these teams are not a good match and a trade is very unlikely.

The idea of a 2 yr rental is precisely why Miller's value is so ridiculously high and as the trade deadline approaches I just really doubt a GM will splurge on JTM. Trading Miller in the off season when there are more players in the game driving up prices is looking more and more likely with each day that passes.

The 1st and Lambos being off the table isn't really coming from fans at this point, it's coming from the beat writer. It's not a reflection of Miller's potential trade value. The team just doesn't seem to be in the market.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Yeah point per game center plays all situations signed 2.6 for 2 years - and a late 1st and Lambos are 'off the table'.

I get it. Guerin won't move a Boldy or Rossi it would be an enormous gamble. But if you want a premier forward at 50% who is already on a friendly contract, Boldy or Rossi would be where the conversation is. That's precisely why these teams are not a good match and a trade is very unlikely.

The idea of a 2 yr rental is precisely why Miller's value is so ridiculously high and as the trade deadline approaches I just really doubt a GM will splurge on JTM. Trading Miller in the off season when there are more players in the game driving up prices is looking more and more likely with each day that passes.

Can we just be blunt , and say as I have read about the ask from JT Miller, its has come from Canucks fans. and the media about how your team's GM is asking for, yet at same time GM's never get what they ask for. Boldy, or Rossi seems to have selectively come from Canucks Twitter fans, and some like yourself on here.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Can we focus on the fact that there are Wild fans claiming they can't squeeze JT Miller at 2.6M into the salary cap structure? It's weird to me

We can't squeeze his post-2.6M salary into the cap structure.

 

[rynryn]

Can we focus on the fact that there are Wild fans claiming they can't squeeze JT Miller at 2.6M into the salary cap structure? It's weird to me

the objective is to create a team that's a contender over a long period. this isn't an "all-in" year where you'd give up assets you will need in the next 4-5 years for an upgrade this year. We can fit him in, but not without hurting the real objective.

 

[elitepete]

Minnesota offered Fiala+Greenway+2nd to Benning and he turned it down. I'm guessing if you switch the 2nd to a 1st, that would be the minimum price for Rutherford.

 

[strattonius]

Can we just be blunt , and say as I have read about the ask from JT Miller, its has come from Canucks fans. and the media about how your team's GM is asking for, yet at same time GM's never get what they ask for. Boldy, or Rossi seems to have selectively come from Canucks Twitter fans, and some like yourself on here.

He's also been treated like some complimentary rental piece on lots of proposals. He's a premier forward and these types of players aren't commonly available.

Look at previous deadlines to see what rentals go for - then consider Miller would be a 2 yr rental on excellent term.

Doesn't actually seem like you read my post. I'm pretty understanding of the fact that Miller is unlikely to be traded because the demands are too high.

 

[MNRube]

I don’t think it’s smart because Minnesota isn’t a JT Miller away from being better than Colorado, Carolina, Tampa. This move is a year early. Next two years, the team should be at least as good with all the prospects in the system. Also, Canucks fans will understand the hesitancy of taking 1st round picks out of Brackett’s hands. Perhaps I’m being overly cautious, but I think Minnesota is better off waiting.

 

[Bazeek]

Minnesota offered Fiala+Greenway+2nd to Benning and he turned it down. I'm guessing if you switch the 2nd to a 1st, that would be the minimum price for Rutherford.

They did?

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Minnesota offered Fiala+Greenway+2nd to Benning and he turned it down. I'm guessing if you switch the 2nd to a 1st, that would be the minimum price for Rutherford.

There's literally no proof of these, besides twitter proposals done by Canucks media and fans. Greenway was also just resigned to 3 years deal. Can you show proof of these?

 

[AKL]

They did?

There was some article from a Vancouver based writer that speculated that the Wild might offer that or something similar and I guess certain people took that to mean the Wild definitely offered that and the Canucks declined.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

He's also been treated like some complimentary rental piece on lots of proposals. He's a premier forward and these types of players aren't commonly available.

Look at previous deadlines to see what rentals go for - then consider Miller would be a 2 yr rental on excellent term.

Doesn't actually seem like you read my post. I'm pretty understanding of the fact that Miller is unlikely to be traded because the demands are too high.

So with all due respect, his upcoming free agency next year will absolutely play a role. So you said previously trade deadline deals, taylor hall went for 2nd round pick. Nick foligno went for 1st and prospect because Toronto bid against themselves. Not one person is saying he's a complementary piece, but there's a difference between what Canucks fans are seeking, what your gm is asking, and what the returns are. GM's don't get the pieces they ask for.

 

[Bazeek]

There was some article from a Vancouver based writer that speculated that the Wild might offer that or something similar and I guess certain people took that to mean the Wild definitely offered that and the Canucks declined.

Aaah. If we're talking about Kuzma's article even that doesn't speculate about Fiala and Greenway, just that it'd make sense for Minnesota to be offering one of them plus a high pick.

I thought I'd missed something drastic.

 

[strattonius]

So with all due respect, his upcoming free agency next year will absolutely play a role. So you said previously trade deadline deals, taylor hall went for 2nd round pick. Nick foligno went for 1st and prospect because Toronto bid against themselves. Not one person is saying he's a complementary piece, but there's a difference between what Canucks fans are seeking, what your gm is asking, and what the returns are. GM's don't get the pieces they ask for.

So what is it our GM is asking since you seem to know? Foligno is actually a horrible example for you because he's a vastly inferior player and still manged to get a 1st rd pick.

If you're going to take the most extremely lopsided deals you've seen in the Canucks favor and blanket that as what I'm asking for just stop. I haven't even put a single proposal up so you can stop pretending you know what my expectations are. I'll repeat it again - I don't think Miller will be moved because his contract and ability have over-priced him in the market. When we take all things in to consideration, Miller would fetch a handsome reward for Vancouver. I just dont think another GM will bite the bullet. There's a much greater chance he is moved in the off-season when more managers come knocking to bolster their roster for a full season.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

the objective is to create a team that's a contender over a long period. this isn't an "all-in" year where you'd give up assets you will need in the next 4-5 years for an upgrade this year. We can fit him in, but not without hurting the real objective.

If that is the objective then they shouldn't trade for Miller. He would be a two year rental at an extremely good dollar figure, after which he will be getting a large pay day.

 

[rangersfansince08]

the objective is to create a team that's a contender over a long period. this isn't an "all-in" year where you'd give up assets you will need in the next 4-5 years for an upgrade this year. We can fit him in, but not without hurting the real objective.

But haven't you heard Karpizov might have peaked? Don't you guys care about the cup?

 

[Groo]

I don’t think it’s smart because Minnesota isn’t a JT Miller away from being better than Colorado, Carolina, Tampa. This move is a year early. Next two years, the team should be at least as good with all the prospects in the system. Also, Canucks fans will understand the hesitancy of taking 1st round picks out of Brackett’s hands. Perhaps I’m being overly cautious, but I think Minnesota is better off waiting.

Teams climb the ladder by adding veteran talent not waiting around and hoping the new guys can come in and put a team over the top. Otherwise the only way to catch those teams is when they start to decline or they are beset by injury

 

[MNRube]

Teams climb the ladder by adding veteran talent not waiting around and hoping the new guys can come in and put a team over the top. Otherwise the only way to catch those teams is when they start to decline or they are beset by injury

Why climb the ladder now when you are still going to end up a few rungs short? Like you said, the other teams are going to decline and unlike Minnesota, they don’t have an elite farm system to replace the talent. Wait a year when Colorado has lost a few pieces and Rossi, Boldy & Addison are fully acclimated and suddenly the Wild aren’t a rung or two short if they want to make a win-now trade