Player Discussion: Josh Ho-Sang
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Once you request a trade, it means he no longer wants to be an Islander. I’m done. (I think). Send him to the ECHL. Is that even possible?
PK Cronin
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oh he definitely wanted to be an Islander, the powers that be are the ones who did not want him on the Islanders
doublechili
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If a trade can't be worked out and JHS doesn't want to report to Bridgeport, can he just walk away from his contract and go to Europe/KHL? If so, I'm thinking his agent is starting to make a few calls to see what's out there, just in case.
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HyeDray
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I have never been a big fan.
He is a liability on the ice, his shifts are too long and while very talented, he has trouble holding the puck. He looses it when the nearest defender burps in his direction. This is not a player I am particular concerned with. Time to move on!
Incidentally — the NY Islanders don't have Mike Milbury as coach. Jack Capuano and Doug Weight are gone, and so is Garth Snow. In their place is arguable the best coach in the NHL — oh gee, no wait, he IS the best coach in the NHL. The Jack Adams winner — twice, along with a Stanley Cup. His staff is among the best as well. And the guy in the GMs office is no dummy either.
Point is — they KNOW how to evaluate talent. I find it hard to believe that they "missed it" on this player.
He is a liability on the ice, his shifts are too long and while very talented, he has trouble holding the puck. He looses it when the nearest defender burps in his direction. This is not a player I am particular concerned with. Time to move on!
Incidentally — the NY Islanders don't have Mike Milbury as coach. Jack Capuano and Doug Weight are gone, and so is Garth Snow. In their place is arguable the best coach in the NHL — oh gee, no wait, he IS the best coach in the NHL. The Jack Adams winner — twice, along with a Stanley Cup. His staff is among the best as well. And the guy in the GMs office is no dummy either.
Point is — they KNOW how to evaluate talent. I find it hard to believe that they "missed it" on this player.
macleod50
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I do enjoy that this is the hill you picked to die on. Where's the other guy who said he wouldn't pass through waivers?
The powers that be? Holy crap.
Go cheer for whatever team he gets traded to, and enjoy watching him get knocked off the puck, fall down, and play zero defense.
Its possible Lou simply wont admit he's a malcontent refusing to report like a professional. It'd kill whatever pittance of trade value jsh has for anymore than an echl goon
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I don't think so because if a trade can't be worked out and then Ho-Sang doesn't report, what will Lamoriello say then? I guess he could just say he won't report now. Not sure how that'd look.
O'Marra was picked by Milbury BTW. The first 1st rd pick by Snow was in 2008 (Josh Bailey).
SI
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Vancouver has been unhappy with Virtanen and they also need some breathing room in terms of Cap.
Ho-Sang passing via waivers allows the acquiring team to stuff him on the AHL team.
Canucks can ship Virtanen to NYI for JHS and then call up Baertschi.
I wouldn’t mind Virtanen - he is childhood friends with Maty... might be a fit
Ho-Sang passing via waivers allows the acquiring team to stuff him on the AHL team.
Canucks can ship Virtanen to NYI for JHS and then call up Baertschi.
I wouldn’t mind Virtanen - he is childhood friends with Maty... might be a fit
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Sometimes the slipper doesn't fit.
I have no problem with him as a human being, I actually like a player who speaks his mind. It's no secret that this sport has traditionally been populated by players who came up in a system where they left home early, were put up in Billets, where they had to be on their best behavior, and had to comply with a Darwinian style climb up a ladder that was not very accommodating to personality.
But that is NO SECRET.
At some point you have to conform, UNTIL you prove the cost of the distraction is less than the benefit of the performance. Denis Potvin is a perfect example of this. In his first few years he ticked off the vets and the organization with his words. I remember how he told an interviewer he couldn't understand why all the players DIDN'T want to live in NYC, instead of Long Island, because of all the city had to offer. He was passed over for captain for a couple of years until he a) made amends with his teammates and b) put in an on-ice performance that was at a high level.
At this point Josh should be traded but if he doesn't understand it's NOT LL and BT, but HIS willingness to accept that he DOES NOT control the situation or the environment, will determine if he'll ever make the NHL his permanent home. He could have a great time in Germany or Austria or something similar and just play his way and maybe he would be a LOT happier that way. But if he wants to continue to bang his head against the wall and not adapt to the reality of a league that is driven more conservatively than the other major sports then I fear he'll be writing some angry autobiography one day that few of us will want to read. He's an intelligent young man, but sometimes you can be too smart for your own good, as many of us have experienced in certain situations.
I wish you well Josh.
I have no problem with him as a human being, I actually like a player who speaks his mind. It's no secret that this sport has traditionally been populated by players who came up in a system where they left home early, were put up in Billets, where they had to be on their best behavior, and had to comply with a Darwinian style climb up a ladder that was not very accommodating to personality.
But that is NO SECRET.
At some point you have to conform, UNTIL you prove the cost of the distraction is less than the benefit of the performance. Denis Potvin is a perfect example of this. In his first few years he ticked off the vets and the organization with his words. I remember how he told an interviewer he couldn't understand why all the players DIDN'T want to live in NYC, instead of Long Island, because of all the city had to offer. He was passed over for captain for a couple of years until he a) made amends with his teammates and b) put in an on-ice performance that was at a high level.
At this point Josh should be traded but if he doesn't understand it's NOT LL and BT, but HIS willingness to accept that he DOES NOT control the situation or the environment, will determine if he'll ever make the NHL his permanent home. He could have a great time in Germany or Austria or something similar and just play his way and maybe he would be a LOT happier that way. But if he wants to continue to bang his head against the wall and not adapt to the reality of a league that is driven more conservatively than the other major sports then I fear he'll be writing some angry autobiography one day that few of us will want to read. He's an intelligent young man, but sometimes you can be too smart for your own good, as many of us have experienced in certain situations.
I wish you well Josh.
Good for Ho Sang. He has been dicked around for years by this team in favor of talentless stiffs over and over again.
doublechili
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I think the "personality" stuff might be overrated with JHS and LL/BT. For current management, it's all about getting 100% buy-in from the TEAM to the system. Note that most forwards gave up offense to fit in the defensive system last year. So I don't know that LL/BT dislike JHS or have any issue with him beyond that he's not up to their standards yet when it comes to playing the system. And maybe part of the reason JHS requested a trade is that he'd rather play in some other system rather than conform to this one. So maybe it's just time to part ways for the benefit of all....
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I think this is all it is. Everything is on the ice. He hasn't been good enough and hasn't played up to Trotz' standards. It's as simple as that.
If you can't work out a trade then it doesn't matter but it doesn't make sense to kill his value potentially before even trying to work out a trade
Mr Misunderstood
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If that were the case Lou would release him from his contract.
2 guys who just don’t get it. On practically everything.
But hey, it takes all kinds to make a world.
The Islanders bent over backwards waiting for Ho-Sang to develop. Even QO’d him this summer instead of telling him to take a hike. Gave him a carrot on a stick contract of $70,000 in the AHL and $864,000 to make it to the show and he still couldn’t bring his A game every night. Ho-Sang dicked himself.
You got some view of things bruh.
Doshell Propivo
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Imagine if your average working stiff had that kind of incentive at their job. Perform at a high level and you will receive a 1,100% raise. LOL. I'd be pretty motivated...
