Value of: Jordan Binnington

[jjniner]

Joel Hofer has come in and has literally stole the show.

If he continues to prove to be a true number 1, what value does JB have around the NHL?

Curios on you all as outsiders take on this!

Thanks, have a great weekend!

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[John Mandalorian]

His greatest value is as a guest on Jerry Springer.

Is that still a show?

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

While I'm fully in favor of the Blues giving a kid with 3 career games with a SV% over .900 their full time starting job, I'm guessing their front office probably wouldn't do something that stupid.

 

[serp]

Binnington has negative value right now. Teams aren't lining up for a $6M sub-.900 goalie for 4 more years. Especially one that is a headcase way too often.

Blues did the right thing by bridging him after the Cup win only to f*** up and give him a big extension anyway after playing pretty underwhelming during his bridge

 

[MK9]

Any team trading for him should also get a supply of Tylenol for the length of the contract and a clown costume he would be required to wear during any and all team activities.

 

[Bleedred]

There's not much value in a mediocre goalie that's just had two straight poor seasons and is signed for 4 more years at $6 million.

You can argue it's not his fault all you want, but Blues goaltenders in the last two years not named Binnington have performed MUCH better than Binnington has. The only argument against it is that the sample size of non-Binnington games isn't as large as the sample size of Binnington played games, but it's still pretty significant. I don't actually Thomas Greiss would perform better than Binnington if he played as many games, but only because Thomas Greiss is old and washed up.

Binnington's last 2 seasons = .896% in 89 games

Blues non-Binnington goalies in the last 2 seasons = .913% in 73 games. Still a pretty significant sample size. Feel free to correct me on those non-Binnington Blues goalies numbers. I ran those numbers on my own. I didn't think it would be quite that high, but a lot of that is Husso having what might go down as a career year last season.

 

[Brodeur]

Probably not very good, there's a finite amount of teams that are looking for a #1 goalie and not all of those could handle a 4 x 6 mil AAV. Ballpark depth charts:

ANA: Gibson | Dostal?
CGY: Markstrom | Vladar
EDM: Campbell | Skinner
LAK: tbd | Petersen
SEA: Grubauer | Driedger
SJS: tbd | Kahkonen
VAN: Demko | Martin
VGK: Lehner* | Thompson

ARZ: Vejmelka | Ingram | Prosvetov
CHI: Mrazek | tbd
COL: Georgiev | Francouz
DAL: Oettinger | Wedgewood
MIN: Fleury | Gustavsson
NSH: Saros | Lankinen
STL: Binnington | Hofer?
WPG: Hellebucyk | Rittich

BOS: Ullmark | Swayman
BUF: Comrie | Luukkonen?
DET: Husso | tbd
FLO: Bobrovsky | Knight
MON: Price* | Allen | Montembeault
OTT: tbd | Forsberg
TBL: Vasilevskiy | tbd
TOR: Murray | Samsonov

CAR: tbd | Kochetkov
CLB: Merzlikins | Tarasov
NJD: Vanecek | Blackwood | Schmid
NYI: Sorokin | tbd
NYR: Shesterkin | tbd
PHI: Hart | Ersson | Sandstrom
PIT: tbd | DeSmith
WSH: Kuemper | Lindgren

UFA: Jarry|Andersen|Korpisalo|Raanta|Hill|Varlamov|Stolarz|Talbot|Jones|Quick|Reimer|Greiss|Halak|Nedeljkovic|Hellberg|Delia|Broissoit|Elliott|Stalock|Khudobin|Anderson|Bernier

Imagine most of the highlighted teams would opt for free agency before looking at Binnington. Blues might have to take back a bad contract for a team to be interested.

 

[ON3M4N]

Well lets see, over the last 3 season there have been 60 goalies to play at least 50 games. Among those Binnington ranks:

GAA - 46th
SV% - 51st
GSAA - 57th
HDGAA - 51st
HDSV% - 55th
HDGSAA - 52nd

He's also owed $2 million more in real money than his actual cap hit. Throw in his immature antics and I can't see anyone giving up anything of value for him.

 

[67Blues]

I'd say right now the Blues won't do something that foolish, but I'll play the game as it would be painful to get rid of him at this stage.

Binnington, a 2024 1st, and Snuggerud

for

Cap Dump with similar term, a 4th, and a B prospect

 

[David Lunch]

I wouldn’t want him in my teams locker room.

 

[GRob83]

That's gonna be one hell of a buy-out, maybe he'll buy season tickets and fight people in the crowd.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Send him to the KHL
Guys a bum

 

[dirtydanglez]

bobrovsky or price straight up.

 

[gdsmack267]

Honestly, his antics will hurt his value in any trade or free agency once he gets there. Many teams do not want to deal with a clown show like that

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

First round pick.

BTW, that pick isn't going to St Louis.

 

[McHelpus]

Jack Campbell

 

[BrokenFace]

He's not tradeable at this point unless the Blues are sending value with him. Stats are too bad, his backups look better for the most part, too high of a cap hit, too many years left on his contract, and his antics don't make him an attractive trade target. At this point the Blues' best option is to got forward with Hofer on a low paying contract and Binnington for the next couple of seasons and hope Binner rehabs his value. If Hofer is legit then you're still getting a starter and a backup for under 10 million. I love Binner for 2019 - he's the reason both my parents finally got to see this team win a cup - but this is the reality of his value right now.

 

[EurlichBachman]

It’s weird how Blues fans are generally happy with him and it’s all fans of other teams coming in to tell us how terrible he is. Weird how that works. You’d think this guy took his skate off and tried cutting someone with how much hate he gets.

 

[axecrew]

As a player or a person? He's a clown in both settings...guy REALLY believes his own hype.

 

[TGWL]

I hate using the term negative value because there's always basement teams looking for goaltending, or contenders who feel goaltending is their biggest weak-link, but Binnington has been awful and is signed for way too long. His rookie season was impressive but since then he been very inconsistent and his numbers are just too poor for anything of real value coming back. On top of that he's got a bit of a reputation now.

 

[Lockin17]

I'll give you Gallagher for him

 

[TK 421]

Already covered this in the Hofer signing thread but to reiterate dealing Binnington at this juncture would be unwise. I'd be happy keeping him in a tandem with Hofer where they split games somewhat evenly. Part of Binners subpar numbers are a result of treating him like some league leading starter in games played when he isn't capable of that workload.

 

[ON3M4N]

The closest thing I could think of recently would be Mrazek, who has equal awful numbers. He was dealt by Toronto along with a 1st for a 2nd rounder. Toronto basically moved back 13 spots in the draft to dump Mrazek. The difference here though is Mrazek had 2yrs left at $3.8 million, while Binnington is 4 more years at $6 million.

To get any value out of Binnington, STL likely needs to retain some money and take back another bad contract.

 

[TheBeard]

I hope the sharks trade for him next year so I can witness him blow up 82 games a year when the defense stands around watching him give up 5-7 a night.

 

[westc2]

They let Husso walk last year...there's no way they're replacing Binnington with Hofer. Although now that they've gutted the team, maybe they'll finally try to move Binnington.

Binnington plays best under high pressure situations, and I doubt the Blues will be having any of those any time soon.