Prospect Info: Jonathan Lekkerimaki - Orebro, SHL

[VanJack]

Probably a better idea, have a good off season, get stronger, faster to prep for the goon league.

Not sure I'm understanding this. If he comes to Abbotsford and plays some games, does that somehow make him ineligible to be picked for their World Hockey Championship team? It's not like Abbotsford is in Timbuktu.

If he were to get picked, the Canucks could simply loan him back to the Swedish team. Why does he have to wait around in Sweden until they make a decision?

 

[F A N]

I'm still not convinced of Lekkerimaki's NHL potential. Over in the other thread there is a suggestion that the plan is to have Lekkerimaki replace Boeser. I think that's crazy talk.

Interestingly, Ohgren (whose WJC performance as criticized) was probably injured. His pro-rated SHL numbers are equivalent/better than Lekkerimaki.

 

[Diversification]

Interesting Guentzel debate in the Lekkerimaki thread lol.

All things equal, elite scoring is a greater upgrade to the roster than any depth supplement.

I also don't think it's an either or debate between Boeser and Guentzel. Mikheyev is effectively a $5m checker. He will go first. Then perhaps Garland. It's not an issue until those things happen and there still isn't room.

On 'age poorly': What are your thoughts on the Miller contract?

On Boeser being a self-rental: If Boeser is in this territory next year, deal him. Either you're going for it, or you're not. If you are, you can't scoff at an elite scorer. If you're not, then deal Boeser.

I agree it's a weird topic for this thread. Happy to take it over to another one if you'd like. But to respond to your post, I'm not comfortable with the risk profile of taking on 2 contracts that pay long term and high AAV to players into their mid- to late-30's. Having JT Miller on the books is risk enough for me. What's more, you and I probably have different takes on what it might take for this team to win the Cup. To me, the team is okay offensively. Enough so that we don't have to take a big swing on an aging winger. I'd prefer instead to splurge on defense and quality 3rd line forwards. With my plan, I concede that you might take a hit by having an odd-duck fit like Suter or Mikheyev type forward playing in your top 6 but I think the penalty would be minimal because our top 6 is strong enough to sustain it and keep producing regardless. Just a matter of opinion as to how best to allocate a finite resource that is cap space, which forces warts onto even contender-level teams.

 

[Phrasing]

Interesting Guentzel debate in the Lekkerimaki thread lol.

All things equal, elite scoring is a greater upgrade to the roster than any depth supplement.

I also don't think it's an either or debate between Boeser and Guentzel. Mikheyev is effectively a $5m checker. He will go first. Then perhaps Garland. It's not an issue until those things happen and there still isn't room.

On 'age poorly': What are your thoughts on the Miller contract?

On Boeser being a self-rental: If Boeser is in this territory next year, deal him. Either you're going for it, or you're not. If you are, you can't scoff at an elite scorer. If you're not, then deal Boeser.

I’m of the opinion you sell high in Boeser this off-season. He rode a hot streak with unsustainable shooting percentage and then has regressed back to what he’s always been. But this past season will likely make another GM bite on his highs.

Lek would not be his replacement. As much as I think his success is great, the way he has scored this season still hasn’t changed my doubts about his ability to convert in the NHL consistently. Guentzel would be great, or maybe an off season Buch trade (who I would trade Lek for, or some other winger with control). All predicated on what happens to Garland and Mik as well.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I’m of the opinion you sell high in Boeser this off-season. He rode a hot streak with unsustainable shooting percentage and then has regressed back to what he’s always been. But this past season will likely make another GM bite on his highs.

Lek would not be his replacement. As much as I think his success is great, the way he has scored this season still hasn’t changed my doubts about his ability to convert in the NHL consistently. Guentzel would be great, or maybe an off season Buch trade (who I would trade Lek for, or some other winger with control). All predicated on what happens to Garland and Mik as well.

The problem with trading Lek for Buch is salary cap. We need to sign or re-sign about 10 players, and have like $25M in cap space. Sound like a lot, but I want Hronek, Blueger, Zadorov and Joshua back. Thats going to be $15M. Minimum. So that leaves $10 M for about 6 players. Buch makes $5.8M ... So you have $4M for 5 players and what about DeSmith?

We simply do not have the cap space to go out and pick up players making $M's. We are going to need ELC contracts, because while we have a great core, that core make a ton of money.

 

[Phrasing]

The problem with trading Lek for Buch is salary cap. We need to sign or re-sign about 10 players, and have like $25M in cap space. Sound like a lot, but I want Hronek, Blueger, Zadorov and Joshua back. Thats going to be $15M. Minimum. So that leaves $10 M for about 6 players. Buch makes $5.8M ... So you have $4M for 5 players and what about DeSmith?

We simply do not have the cap space to go out and pick up players making $M's. We are going to need ELC contracts, because while we have a great core, that core make a ton of money.

Acquiring Buch was on the premise of trading Boeser, while his value in my opinion, is never going to be higher.

 

[tradervik]

I'm still not convinced of Lekkerimaki's NHL potential. Over in the other thread there is a suggestion that the plan is to have Lekkerimaki replace Boeser. I think that's crazy talk.

That's just wishful thinking from a few starry eyed optimists.

Interestingly, Ohgren (whose WJC performance as criticized) was probably injured. His pro-rated SHL numbers are equivalent/better than Lekkerimaki.

What is his PDO/60?

 

[ChilliBilly]

Acquiring Buch was on the premise of trading Boeser, while his value in my opinion, is never going to be higher.

Well since the trade dead line has passed, this is all theoretical. The value of all our players is going to be largely judged on how we perform in the playoffs.

And that is not going to be an easy ride. Right now it would be Vegas, then the winner of Edm LA. Then likely Wpg, Dal or Col.

Ir would be nice if Lekk can get some games in this year with the big boys. He's not physically ready for it ... but.

 

[Oliewud]

I'm still not convinced of Lekkerimaki's NHL potential. Over in the other thread there is a suggestion that the plan is to have Lekkerimaki replace Boeser. I think that's crazy talk.

Interestingly, Ohgren (whose WJC performance as criticized) was probably injured. His pro-rated SHL numbers are equivalent/better than Lekkerimaki.

well then you haven't noticed his compete level which is through the roof

 

[arttk]

Not sure I'm understanding this. If he comes to Abbotsford and plays some games, does that somehow make him ineligible to be picked for their World Hockey Championship team? It's not like Abbotsford is in Timbuktu.

If he were to get picked, the Canucks could simply loan him back to the Swedish team. Why does he have to wait around in Sweden until they make a decision?

Maybe he doesn't want to jump between different league/tournaments? I don't think there is anything stopping him from going to the worlds, maybe if the AHL playoffs go too long?

The problem with trading Lek for Buch is salary cap. We need to sign or re-sign about 10 players, and have like $25M in cap space. Sound like a lot, but I want Hronek, Blueger, Zadorov and Joshua back. Thats going to be $15M. Minimum. So that leaves $10 M for about 6 players. Buch makes $5.8M ... So you have $4M for 5 players and what about DeSmith?

We simply do not have the cap space to go out and pick up players making $M's. We are going to need ELC contracts, because while we have a great core, that core make a ton of money.

Buch is not going to cost Lekk, he is a 1 year rental.

 

[Raistlin]

I'm still not convinced of Lekkerimaki's NHL potential. Over in the other thread there is a suggestion that the plan is to have Lekkerimaki replace Boeser. I think that's crazy talk.

Interestingly, Ohgren (whose WJC performance as criticized) was probably injured. His pro-rated SHL numbers are equivalent/better than Lekkerimaki.

Orebro has no finishers. Lekkerimaki is on an island there. The system they play also not helping matters.

 

[M2Beezy]

The other day I walked across a bridge with a bone in my mouth. The body of water below the bridge was excessively reflective

 

[ChilliBilly]

Maybe he doesn't want to jump between different league/tournaments? I don't think there is anything stopping him from going to the worlds, maybe if the AHL playoffs go too long?


Buch is not going to cost Lekk, he is a 1 year rental.

Yep. Was simply responding to Aqua who said he would trade Lekk to get Buch. On the assumption we had cap space because we trade Boeser.

Think we all plan on Lekk and Willy being on this team for a long time. Lekk is maybe on a 40% chance for next year, and probably a lock for the year after, assuming he doesn't flame out.

Willy is maybe a 20% chance for next year, and 80 % chance the year after. Almost 0 chance he flames out.

As stated before, it will be interesting to see what this team looks like next year. We probably can't afford to bring everyone back.

 

[1440]

Russell makes it 1-0 Linkoping on the PP. Nice play by former Canuck's pick Jonathan Myrneberg to walk the line and draw the penalty.

 

[Zarpan]

Interestingly, Ohgren (whose WJC performance as criticized) was probably injured. His pro-rated SHL numbers are equivalent/better than Lekkerimaki.

Ohgren has performed pretty well in the SHL this year, but his team is a lot better than Lekkerimaki's too.

Lekkerimaki leads Orebro in points and is by far their best goalscorer.

 

[1440]

Lekkermaki draws the Orebro PP off of an interference call on a nice rush.
Orebro capitalizes on a weird bounce to even it up. Lekkerimaki was part of the possession leading up to the scoring play but would have gotten the "4th" assist. He did facilitate the zone entry leading to possession though.

Edit: Lekkerimaki just made a very nice, potentially goal saving defensive play on the 2-1 backcheck, goes hard into the post, then into the boards and is slow off the ice. Hopefully he is ok.
Edit2: He is back out there the next shift and sets up a nice chance. By far Orebro's most dangerous player so far.

 

[1440]

Terrible giveaway by R. Norell at the blueline and Little capitalizes on the resulting breakaway. 2-1 Linkoping.

 

[Vector]

Orebro tied the game. Lekkerimaki picked up an assist on the goal. 2-2 with about 2 minutes remaining.

 

[1440]

Modo lost in OT to Rogle, so Orebro need the win tonight to earn the final playoff spot over them. Off to OT at 2-2 now.

 

[arttk]

Orebro tied the game. Lekkerimaki picked up an assist on the goal. 2-2 with about 2 minutes remaining.

our boi

 

[Vector]

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Is it bad I want them to miss..

 

[1440]

Lekkerimaki goes first in the shootout for Orebro and it is saved. Bystedt saved for Linkping, then Johanesson scores, Rattie saved, and Leino scores to secure Orebro the final playoff spot!

 

[timw33]

Lekkerimaki goes first in the shootout for Orebro and it is saved. Bystedt saved for Linkping, then Johanesson scores, Rattie saved, and Leino scores to secure Orebro the final playoff spot!

First round is a best of 3 wild card if I'm not mistaken? So he's unavailable for at least another week?

 

[Vector]

If Dhaliwal is right and Lekkerimaki wasn't coming to North America until he knew whether he'd be on the WC team, I'd rather he play some playoff games.