Yes lets shop a 1st round pick10 games into his +1 season..... My gosh some of you are impatient.
Prospect Info: Jonathan Lekkerimaki, #15 Overall, 2022 NHL Draft
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Not necessarily impatient. I think it was Melvin who showed that if your 1st round pick isn't tracking well in their D+1 season, you should be looking at trading him to maximize on the reputation value. It's not out of the question, especially if the team can find some help on defense.
Trying to think of one one of our top prospects who had an underwhelming D+1 that was able to turn it around. We held onto Virtanen and Juolevi until they rotted off the vine after smelling off in the first year.
Basically none of them. I think Gaunce probably qualifies here but Benning and friends just cratered his development as a bottom 6 forward, and he's sort of finding his way again around the league again, but once you miss that opportunity to stick on a roster at age 23/24, teams are going to start prioritzing their own 22 year olds (as they should).
Schroeder also had a poor D+1 season but I wonder if there was value to be had there anyway as a draft faller.
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Podkolzin rotting in KHL during his D+1 for whatever reason was underwhelming.
Yeah, I think we'd have to have a long look at the context before making a call, but otherwise should be prepared to move assertively if it's on the player. There will be exceptions, but this is one of those things where you play the odds if you can get value, unless there's a compelling reason to think this will be the exception.
But I'm also biased, I wasn't entirely a fan of the Lekkerimaki pick.
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His deployment was dissapointing, but his underlying metrics were really good and he had a good playoffs when he actually got ice-time. The strangest thing was that SKA turned around and did the same thing next year: limited ice-time during the regular season and then lots in the playoffs, which he put to really good use.
If you take his playoff NHLe instead of regular season where he routinely got <5 minutes of ice-time, he ends up with D1 and D2 seasons of 64 and 58 in the hockey prospecting model, which at the time was much more impressive than Boldy lighting up the AHL. Small sample size, but his 18 and 19 year old seasons are both top 10 in terms of PPG for U20 KHL players all time. There was plenty of less obvious reasons for optimism at the time and plenty of reason to think he has a higher offensive ceiling than he has showed thus far.
Yes and Pierre McGuire said on draft day this kid isn’t going to be coming over right away . It’s going to take time . I definitely don’t think it will be that long Linus Karlsson , but I do think 2024/2025 is when we should expect it and he will still be only 20 turning 21 so let’s have patience I agree .
But the end of next season is a possibility too
I agree, but it has been kind of a tale of two tapes for Canucks in recent years...
Either our prospects shoot out of the gate and are successful (Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, etc.) or they start slow and bust (Juolevi, Virtanen, Woo, etc.). As such, as soon as a prospect has a drop off in their draft +1 year, there seems to be very little patience on their developmental trend. The excuses like "he is playing against men, there is a learning curve", or "he was always going to be a project player" aren't very well received haha.
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Damn
Those are terrible stats for alsvenken
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It looks like both Minny and Buffalo’s pick are all on the same team together
Neither has great stats
Haven’t watched the Swedish leagues since pettersson’s draft year and d+1
Those are terrible stats for alsvenken
Edit:
It looks like both Minny and Buffalo’s pick are all on the same team together
Neither has great stats
Haven’t watched the Swedish leagues since pettersson’s draft year and d+1
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So, maybe let’s wait until the end of the D+1 season before we jump to conclusions?
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I wouldn't go that far.
He is easily our best prospect. From what I hear he is getting limited ice time on a team that is not playing an offensive style at all.
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best prospect doesn't really mean much when you're talking about the canucks current system
i'm not saying he's a bust or anything but expectation should be tempered. this was a weak draft year and it may produce zero nhl stars. we shouldn't judge lekkerimaki as if he's expected to step into the top line next year
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Varies. I knew four people over the last 6-7 years who got it in an around that age. Two people weren’t too bad; meanwhile, the other two were hospitalized and rough for months.
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Mattias Ohlund's PPG dropped for three consecutive seasons in the SEL following his draft. RJ Umberger's scoring dropped slightly in his D+1. Daniel Sedin's scoring plateaued in his D+1 while Henrik's increased. Jannik Hansen remained in a low-level league in his D+1 and was at a PPG pace in junior in his D+2. Ben Hutton's scoring dropped in Junior A in his D+1. Mason Raymond was so-so in the NCAA in his D+1. It happens quite often. I don't think Melvin's overall impulse is incorrect, but it needs to be fleshed out considerably.
Sure, but these examples don't help your argument. Mattias Ohlund was a defenseman, and his PPG "dropped" going from the SEL2 to SEL. RJ Umberger lead his team in scoring in D+0 and D+1. Daniel and Henrik Sedin already set records for production by 17 year olds in the SEL (and again both led their team in scoring in their D+1). The rest of the examples aren't even first round picks, so they tend to take a more unconventional development path.
So far, Lekkerimaki's production has dipped going from the SHL to the second division. That's not great.
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Michael Grabner looked pretty unspectacular in his D+1 year. Guy sort of turned it around by his early-mid 20's.
But agree. This is an different matter with a guy that was projected to be a "work in progress" until the mid 2020's. Can we afford to wait for a potential middle 6 winger to develop into a contributing guy?
Question I ask is what would you trade this guy for right now? Potentially as a sweetener to dump Myers or Pearson? The dreaded move to fill the age gap with another project player with a lower ceiling? A swap for another prospect who is struggling as well?
I wouldn't trade him as a package to get cap space. That, to me, doesn't actually accomplish anything. If he's part of a deal to fill a need with a young roster player then I have no problem with that. Completely hypothetically but part of a Chychrun trade as an example.
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Part of a trade for Chychrun, okay, but what about the sum of the additional parts? I have a feeling Arizona may come back asking for an unprotected 1st and another young winger in Podzolkin or Hoglander.
Well, I don't actually want Chychrun and feel the ask is too high for how he's been playing and his recent injury history. I just used him as an example. I'm of the opinion, as God and Melvin have expressed similarly, that NHL teams are far too precious with their prospects and hold on to them far too long.
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No I agree. It's just that your prospect has to value. Lekkerimaki is a dime a dozen prospect who projects to be a top 6 winger or bust. I personally see this guy having minimal value in being a key piece in a much larger trade.
Realistically, I would wholeheartedly use this prospect to dump Boeser's or Pearson's contract.
Jonathan Lekkerimaki was more or less a full-time Centre until part way through last season when he moved full-time to RW on the 'Kid Line".
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Player profile for Jonathan Lekkerimäki (Right Handed Center)
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Player profile for Jonathan Lekkerimäki (Right Handed Center)
Jonathan Lekkerimaki Scouting Report: 2022 NHL Draft #12
Jonathan Lekkerimaki Scouting Report: Lekkerimaki had a breakout performance at the Under 18s, winning MVP and leading Sweden to gold.
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Jonathan Lekkerimaki Scouting Report: 2022 NHL Draft #12
Jonathan Lekkerimaki Scouting Report: Lekkerimaki had a breakout performance at the Under 18s, winning MVP and leading Sweden to gold.
Jonathan Lekkerimaki. | Jonathan Lekkerimaki. Profile | Jonathan Lekkerimaki. Scouting Report 2022
Jonathan Lekkerimaki. scouting report for NHL Draft. Profile contains Jonathan Lekkerimaki. stats, videos and written bios
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Jonathan Lekkerimaki. | Jonathan Lekkerimaki. Profile | Jonathan Lekkerimaki. Scouting Report 2022
Jonathan Lekkerimaki. scouting report for NHL Draft. Profile contains Jonathan Lekkerimaki. stats, videos and written bios
www.mynhldraft.com
Here's an idea, why not try him at Centre where he could succeed and where, as a Right shot, have greater value to the Canucks?
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