Value of: Jonathan Drouin
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Kairi Zaide
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I understand that, and that basically eliminates any "draft pick only" offer.
The only way Drouin would get moved in a 1-for-1 trade is for a player around the same age, with a similar cap hit, who is also underperforming in regards to his contract. Or for an older player with a bigger cap hit but less terms (so 2 years or 1 year left) OR a smaller cap hit but more term, assuming the team receiving Drouin is confident in his potential to break out at his age, and assuming the Bergevin is confident in the player he receives to perform better too. Players like Loui Eriksson, Rasmus Ristolainen, Nick Leddy, Brady Skjei, Kyle Okposo, Milan Lucic, etc. come to mind.
Drouin was alright in that 10 games sample size, for sure. Benefiting from Suzuki's overall play and rolling an unsustainable PDO (just like whenever he has good short stints). Opposite for Johnson, who was indeed relatively awful. But that said, that's a small sample size, and if you use what you see during these small sample sizes to extrapolate, you'll miss the boat quite, quite often. Over the past 3 seasons, no player who has played substantial time with Drouin has performed better with him than without him. None. Playing with Drouin negatively impacts their goal scoring rates, while giving up more goals against.
If Drouin "performs" better because of Suzuki next season, but when away from him, still performs awful, hats off to Suzuki for doing something no other player - even one of the best 5v5 duo in the league in Gallagher-Danault - has managed to do. But that doesn't necessarily mean he has improved. It means he's still the same player, but just tailgoating better players.
When Drouin isn't giving his 100%, he is an absolute liability in every aspect of the game. And this happens far more often than not. TJ is at least not as big of a disaster in terms of defensive impact.
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He was doing just fine last year before he got injured! Why this fanbase has to be so whiny?
Can’t because they suck! lol
Jost is too slow, too soft and too useless and can’t win a faceoff . I like Z but he’s too inconsistent.
besides, you didn’t offer a 2nd to your Z + Jost offer.
#RyderHalak+2nd. bahaha. Will miss those offers.
Maybe in a few years, but as of now he’s still a top goalie. Unlike Jones.... woof.
Loved the chemistry he and Suzuki built and now with Josh Anderson added to that line, it will be fun to watch Drouin and Suzuki create offense again.
I agree I would even leave Armia there cuz it worked and start Anderson on KK's wing.
True. But we have a ton of options now. Julien will have no excuses this season. Same for Drouin, no matter which of the top3 lines he is on will have top6 players. I expect better production than his standard 50+ point pace.
Yeah, Drouin is clearly on the edge, If you look at the entire roster, he's the only one that's not solid defensively.
That’s why i like him with Armia. But i think Josh Anderson will make that line better than Armia does. And with 3 x 2nd lines he should get good matchups.
Archijerej
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No, those are not comparables.AVs might toss a 5th round pick, slightly higher if retention is involved.
Comparables:
Few if any teams with limited cap space would take his $5.5M contact.
- Schmidt - 3rd (2022);
- Toews - 2nd (2021 + 2022);
- Johnson T - Waived (no interest);
- Murray R - 5th (2021);
- Murray M - 2nd (2020) + pick;
p.s. Value is so low, not offering Jost.
All those teams HAD TO clear cap/salary. Habs don't.
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Comparable contracts needing to be cleared and return is about a 3rd or 4th.
Habs are currently up against this season. They will have $16M next year with Danault, KK, Armia, Lehk, and Tatar. Predicting a flat cap for the next 3 years, unlikely to have any improvement in a trade.
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Can’t because they suck! lol
Jost is too slow, too soft and too useless and can’t win a faceoff . I like Z but he’s too inconsistent.
besides, you didn’t offer a 2nd to your Z + Jost offer.
#RyderHalak+2nd. bahaha. Will miss those offers.
Jost is still likely to obtain a 2nd with his cheap deal. Drouin with his contract will have negative value with the flat cap, maybe a 3rd with retention.
Habs have no interest in trading a top6 winger who co-led the team in points during the playins. Avs should have keen interest in trading a useless 4th line C who couldn’t kill a or a penalty to save his life in the playins and is a 13th forward most nhl teams. And such a below average skater to boot. He personifies the scrub.
Why hasn’t he been signed to his QO yet? Anything over 750K for Jost is an overpayment!
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jgimp
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And Drouin is payed more than TJ is he not? If TJ was free at $5M who is giving up assets for a $5.5m similar player with the cap implications as you mentioned? Over 90% of cap dollars have been spent league wide and anyone making even decent money will need to have sweeteners added to move them at this point or will be going for pennies on the dollar.
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