Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin----Nothing burger edition.
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If drouin needs to become a star, we are screwed.
The Montreal canadiens do not exist in order to pump the tires of a mercurial winger. Even if he's de chez nous.
mariolemieux66
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Such BS we should have given him what he wanted to stay here. MB decided to play hardball with a power forward who provided a strength we hadn't seen in quite some time. I'm so sick of people defending him on this miss. Everything and I mean everything Bergevin touched that summer turned to a steaming pile. It could probably go down in history as the very worst off season ever in 100+ yrs.
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BLONG7
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So your position is that we should pay market value PLUS for a player ( power forward my ass) who spent exactly one year here and when he left offered up THREE different versions in the first 15 minutes.
Because a guy who lied to the preds and who couldn't keep his story straight, THAT is the kind of player you overpay for. AfTER you give him the opportunity to wash the stink off his pro career.
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What do the fn Preds have to do with us not evaluating talent on hand properly. Radulov clearly matured or he wouldn't have led the KHL for a couple of seasons. He was a guy who worked hard every game and earned every penny we paid him and deserved a good contract, But No we had to get f***ING Drouin and f***ING Alzner. He was clearly not a priority for MB and he should have been.
If we are talking about his maturity in the NHL, can we bring up how he assaulted his coach with his stick as well?
We offered radulov fair market value. If he had signed for more, you could bitch we tried to low ball him. But he didn't so you can't ( or shouldn't).
At least you dropped the asinine position that he was a power forward.
He STIFFED the preds went to the khl, came back to Montreal when lots of teams wanted nothing to do with him, LIED about his ask in the season and then signed with Dallas for the same amount offered by a team that took a chance on him when he was radioactive.
So no, we shouldn't play more than market for oft gassed mercenaries who have only shown they are interested in the checks clearing.
Good riddance.
Radulov gave it 100000% every freaking shift and rubbed off on so many players he played with. Mercenary for wanting a new contract? Yeah right. I’d rather pay him $7m than Drouin $5.5m.
LaP
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If for you offering more than 6.25 millions for Radulov is more than market value then well you should take a look at the contracts signed in the NHL. There was doubts over Radulov long term commitment to hockey which reduced his value a bit but 7 millions for 5 years would have been market value for a player of his skills and not over market value.
LaP
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Or Alzner 4.7 ...
Drouin and Alzner both are worth together around 9.25 millions on the cap and they are together providing less than Radulov alone. So we could have given Radulov 8 millions and a elc contract to Sergachev and we would still be in a far better position than we are right now for the same price. I mean there's still one season left on Sergachev elc ...
Radulov + Sergachev >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drouin + Alzner
And even with Radulov at 8 millions it's still less cap hit than Drouin and Alzner for this season.
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The link is rehashing the two sources we have posted here a couple of days ago. I was hoping they’d have something new. Thanks anyhow.
The 7 x 5 yrs is exactly where I pegged him at the end of that season. He and Gallagher were the only two players who showed much of anything against the Rangers.
LaP
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Our performance against the Rangers was sad. Weber was okay too but man the rest of the team sucked hard. Not that they did not work. Danault and Byron worked. But the team clearly showed a lack of skills and effectiveness in the series and considering how weak the Rangers were (on the verge of a tank) that was depressing. It's not a surpris we missed the playoffs twice in a row since then.
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Yup, he was a gamer... Just one of many terrible player evaluations that are a hallmark of MB's tenure.
CristianoRonaldo
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At this point just give him every opportunity to shine and after that trade him. His value is pretty low at the moment and it's not like he's holding us back from winning the Stanley Cup.
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Would be a sound strategy normally. However, with so many pundits and especially mainstream Franco media getting on his case repeatedly and in a scathing manner, plus irate sports show callers, I don’t know how he’s going to navigate through it. I fear there is a risk of regression which could mean that his value may actually become less than now.
I hope I’m wrong but the backlash storm is not on the horizon anymore, it has hit the shoreline.
CauZuki
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I'm sorry but it's obvious it was a mistake especially if acquiring Drouin somehow made Radulov not a priority.
I would have enjoyed seeing:
Radulov - Domi - Suzuki
Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Lekhonen - KK - Armia
Byron - Poehling - Weal
Thompson
Sergachev - Weber
Mete - Petry
Chiarot - Juulsen
Kulak - Fleury
Price
Kinkaid
Sign me up , but life doesn't work like that unfortunately...As for Drouin , I obviously want him to succeed but it's also obvious he's only a fit in a limited role. However, being a former 3rd overall pick and such a promising player I fear a limited role won't cut it and MTL may be the last place for him to redeem himself.
I would have enjoyed seeing:
Radulov - Domi - Suzuki
Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Lekhonen - KK - Armia
Byron - Poehling - Weal
Thompson
Sergachev - Weber
Mete - Petry
Chiarot - Juulsen
Kulak - Fleury
Price
Kinkaid
Sign me up , but life doesn't work like that unfortunately...As for Drouin , I obviously want him to succeed but it's also obvious he's only a fit in a limited role. However, being a former 3rd overall pick and such a promising player I fear a limited role won't cut it and MTL may be the last place for him to redeem himself.
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The Real Timo
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Eh... this just means he stays. If Bergevin said that they are not shopping Drouin and then shook Drouin's hand in plain sight that would be 100% guarantee that Drouin's a goner.
I guess Clod is really pushing to move Drouin so that Thompson and Cousins can play more minutes.
The Real Timo
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Don't remember which thread it was but someone brought up pretty freaky statistic of Nashiville acquiring Habs players. Let's trade Drouin to Nashville. Do they have a 5th round pick they are willing to part with?
Toene
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You know how it is here : one night you score a bunch, you're a hero, the next day you're pointless and you're suddenly deemed useless. If Drouin plays well in the regular season, people will give him slack. And vice-versa.
The vibe of these threads is kind of weird. He's part of the team, and I can never root against a Canadien.
I found the Desharnais hate lame af, and the Drouin bashing is the same. Just the low-hanging fruit. Blame the usage, not the dude. Or if you blame the dude, focus on what happens inside the rink. The personal attacks by many are childish.
And the hyperbolic people on here who say they'd waive him or trade him for scraps... I'm perfectly aware he's far from the superstar he couldve been but a speedy 50ish points player with skill paid 5 millions and a half is the least of my worries tbh. People act as if he'll tank the team by himself. What about the fact that our other wingers are puke-worthy outside of Gally/Tatar? What about the left side of our defense? What about the 12 or so millions of deadwood (Peca, Alzner, Weise, etc.) + the actual cap-space who could've helped acquire a LD and a winger to play with KK.
I'll stress about JD when these glaring holes will be filled.
Lol talking about liars meanwhile defending one of the biggest liar and hypocrite in Bergervin...you can’t make this shit up
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There's really no need to stress about Drouin. It's really out of our hands. People in here are entitled to their opinions and we can't all agree on everything.
My post was going beyond all of that. It's one thing when random bloggers get on your case but quite another when several high profile individuals from franco media take you to task. I don't remember that happening to Drouin last season in the manner that it is occurring right now. Those panelists on AC literally ripped him to shreds. From past experience, that usually is the death knell for the recipient of that kind of stuff when that target is a local athlete.
He seems to have lost patience this past week when the media challenged him with loaded questions, he became defensive, curt and confrontational. It definitely bothers him. However, the bottom line is that playing in Montreal is not for everyone. Some players welcome how rabid the market is and can also cope with how toxic it can be while others can self-destruct on account of it and are better suited to less invasive environments. Maybe that's what Drouin needs in order to thrive. I'd be surprised if he could make it happen here long term as he's always had to find excuses for the way he's played. Maybe he doesn't need any excuses, he just needs to play in a market that is a better fit for him.
Hence the argument about how Drouin may need a more immediate change of surroundings. And if he does, question becomes how does he get to such a market without the Habs losing their shirt.
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