Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin----Nothing burger edition.

[Milhouse40]

if he " loved it here" why would he not consider an extention?
Niemi was exciting, and patches was a better player overall.

I completely fail to see how a guy who played a single season garners this amount of loyalty. you can point out all of the mistakes our GM made, but when he came back, there wasnt a bidding war. most teams wanted nothing to do with him.

he played one season, which was good enough to wash the stink off him, then threw the team under the bus as he was picking up his hat.

You might find weird the amount of loyalty he got…...but i find the amount of hate you have against him just as much weird.
Didn't do anything wrong except to take the best offer he had on the table. Pretty standard, like 98% of the players will do.

Oh and Niemi wasn't exciting one bit and Pacioretty wasn't at all the better player overall….we saw that in the PO.

 

[Seb]

I rather have someone like Hudon that gives 100% every shift and willing to eat the boards over Drouin any day.

That's just silly, Drouin hit 50 pts last season. You might not like him but to say you'd take a fringe NHL player any day over him is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Tyson]

That's just silly, Drouin hit 50 pts last season. You might not like him but to say you'd take a fringe NHL player any day over him is a ridiculous statement.

Which Drouin shows up this year? The 50 point player or the 1 goal and 5 assists in the last 26 games Drouin?

 

[habsfan891]

Which Drouin shows up this year? The 50 point player or the 1 goal and 5 assists in the last 26 games Drouin?

It could be both

 

[Seb]

Which Drouin shows up this year? The 50 point player or the 1 goal and 5 assists in the last 26 games Drouin?

You'll get both.

 

[yianik]

Back to Radulov in a big way.

Okay, my 2 cents.

The year before guys like Ladd, Lucic etc had hit about 6 year 6-7M deals. That summer featured a whole bunch of supposed top 6 players and across the board they scored big money.

Come the summer of 2017 there are hardly any top 6 UFA forwards . Rads is certainly the best. He and his agent must have been thinking at least $8M for 7 years, and reasonably so given the market from the year before. But the market had changed. Teams were already being hurt by the stupid contracts of the year before.

So $6.25M a year for 5 years ? Look, MB got Alzner at $4.5625 M or thereabouts , $2,35M a year less than Rads ? Rads only worth a bit more than 2 million than Alzner ? Are you Fing kidding me ? Should MB have gone $9M ? No, but going to $7M or even $7.25M to me would have made sense.

And by the way, with UFAs, the team that gets the player usually has always gone over the market price, because that is the offer the UFAs take ( unless its from Montreal ).

The $7M would have taken out any tax difference as I understand it, and I think we would have likely gotten him to stay.

But moving on...

 

[Habs Icing]

Where do you get this stuff? Look at Gallagher on the bench after every shift he takes...
Why do you assume being gassed is a negative?

I guess you never sat downwind from a flatulent person.

 

[sharknado]

That's just silly, Drouin hit 50 pts last season. You might not like him but to say you'd take a fringe NHL player any day over him is a ridiculous statement.

No I don't like him. He was a lazy heartless player in Midget AAA and is still a lazy heartless player. Someone like Hudon will consistently give you 100% while Drouin won't. Don't be blinded by his talent. It means nothing if he has no heart.

 

[Sorinth]

Which Drouin shows up this year? The 50 point player or the 1 goal and 5 assists in the last 26 games Drouin?

The 1 goal 5 assist in last 26 games Drouin did put up 50 points over the whole year. It's dumb to look at one part of the season and ignore the rest. The only reason Drouin should miss 50 points is if he's injured or gets into a big fight with the coach and gets benched/sent to the 4th line for long stretches.

 

[Seb]

No I don't like him. He was a lazy heartless player in Midget AAA and is still a lazy heartless player. Someone like Hudon will consistently give you 100% while Drouin won't. Don't be blinded by his talent. It means nothing if he has no heart.

You are the one being blinded by your hatred of the guy, no one would chose the fringe NHL player over the 50 pts player. It doesn't matter if Hudon has heart if he brings nothing else.

 

[sharknado]

You are the one being blinded by your hatred of the guy, no one would chose the fringe NHL player over the 50 pts player. It doesn't matter if Hudon has heart if he brings nothing else.

I'm not blind, just realistic. From Midget AAA till now, it has been about 8 years. That's 8 years of no change. If you want to pay someone all that money because one day you hope that he might change, then hire me. I promise I will perform really good one day

 

[Seb]

I'm not blind, just realistic. From Midget AAA till now, it has been about 8 years. That's 8 years of no change. If you want to pay someone all that money because one day you hope that he might change, then hire me. I promise I will perform really good one day

What does Drouin's progression have anything to do with chosing Hudon any day over him? I don't follow you.

 

[sharknado]

What does Drouin's progression have anything to do with chosing Hudon any day over him? I don't follow you.

I'm saying that there is no change in him after all these years so why continue to keep him hoping that one day he will change. I rather keep someone that gives 100% every shift like Hudon instead of keeping Drouin wishing that he will start playing to his potential.

If both these guys have similar production, then why pay Drouin all that $$ when you get similar point production from Hudon. On top of that, Hudon is not a liability in the Dzone, can back check, and is willing to go into the dirty areas.

 

[Seb]

I'm saying that there is no change in him after all these years so why continue to keep him hoping that one day he will change. I rather keep someone that gives 100% every shift like Hudon instead of keeping Drouin wishing that he will start playing to his potential.

If both these guys have similar production, then why pay Drouin all that $$ when you get similar point production from Hudon. On top of that, Hudon is not a liability in the Dzone, can back check, and is willing to go into the dirty areas.

But they don't have similar production... at all.

I'd take Hudon over Carey Price too if they had similar stats.

What a weird thing to say.

 

[sharknado]

But they don't have similar production... at all.

I'd take Hudon over Carey Price too if they had similar stats.

What a weird thing to say.

Drouin had 53 points and finished with a -8. Being on the ice 61 times while being scored on is horrible especially when you are on PP and 5 on 5.

Hudon is a -9 with 5 points while playing PK and 5 on 5

You can continue to give slack to the local heartless kid as much as you like. My leash is over with him.

 

[EveryDay]

Drouin had 53 points and finished with a -8. Being on the ice 61 times while being scored on is horrible especially when you are on PP and 5 on 5.

Hudon is a -9 with 5 points while playing PK and 5 on 5

You can continue to give slack to the local heartless kid as much as you like. My leash is over with him.

You know +- is not counted on the PP and PK, right?

And lol Hudon doesn't play on the PK.... he's one of the worst forwards defensively along with Drouin.

 

[Seb]

Drouin had 53 points and finished with a -8. Being on the ice 61 times while being scored on is horrible especially when you are on PP and 5 on 5.

Hudon is a -9 with 5 points while playing PK and 5 on 5

You can continue to give slack to the local heartless kid as much as you like. My leash is over with him.

I'm not giving slack to Drouin, I'm pointing out to you how ridiculous your statements are.

 

[Miller Time]

Just imagine. Could have been Lucic + Alzner

gotta give it to MB... sometimes his ineptness is our only saving grace lol

 

[Captain Mountain]

gotta give it to MB... sometimes his ineptness is our only saving grace lol

I think its probably McDavid that saved Montreal there.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I think its probably McDavid that saved Montreal there.

McJesus saves.

 

[the valiant effort]

...Or McDavid stabbed at thee from hell's heart by preventing the possibility of Bergevin being fired over a Lucic/Alzner combo

 

[Tyson]

The 1 goal 5 assist in last 26 games Drouin did put up 50 points over the whole year. It's dumb to look at one part of the season and ignore the rest. The only reason Drouin should miss 50 points is if he's injured or gets into a big fight with the coach and gets benched/sent to the 4th line for long stretches.

When it was crunch time and the Habs needed a couple of crucial wins he was nowhere to be found. He choked when it mattered.

 

[Sorinth]

When it was crunch time and the Habs needed a couple of crucial wins he was nowhere to be found. He choked when it mattered.

Yet he's also been extremely good at crunch time when Tampa went to the ECF and he was one of their top producers. So it doesn't seem like he's a choker, he's just an inconsistent player.

 

[Tyson]

Yet he's also been extremely good at crunch time when Tampa went to the ECF and he was one of their top producers. So it doesn't seem like he's a choker, he's just an inconsistent player.

I don’t care what he did in Tampa. During the most critical stretch of last season the Habs highest paid forward disappeared.

 

[Lshap]

Yet he's also been extremely good at crunch time when Tampa went to the ECF and he was one of their top producers. So it doesn't seem like he's a choker, he's just an inconsistent player.

This makes sense to me. Drouin's engine kicked in when Tampa was in the ECF and conked out in February when the Habs needed it most. That's inconsistency for you -- it has a weird, internal on-off wiring that isn't connected to how important the games are. I could see Drouin having a horrible start to the season and then getting hot in January if the media forgets about him.