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Jarick said:
Brodin's been great the last couple weeks. Dumba looks like he isn't ready for the NHL in my eyes, but GMCF didn't give Yeo any other options.
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where does brodin rank in your guys defense. i remember a year or two ago he was the best guy besides Suter. is that still the case?
 
Stromeboy said:
where does brodin rank in your guys defense. i remember a year or two ago he was the best guy besides Suter. is that still the case?
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Scandella surpassed him last year and Spurgeon has always ahead of him, too.

Suter
Spurgeon
Scandella
Brodin
Dumba
Prosser
Folin
 
Stromeboy said:
where does brodin rank in your guys defense. i remember a year or two ago he was the best guy besides Suter. is that still the case?
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It's never unanimous who's #2 between Brodin, Scandella and Spurgeon, and it's tough to balance the Suter advantage.

Brodin was with Suter the last two years. This year it's Spurgeon, while Scandella and Brodin get to break in players with incomplete games.
 
Stromeboy said:
where does brodin rank in your guys defense. i remember a year or two ago he was the best guy besides Suter. is that still the case?
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He is our number 2. Scandella did not surpass him last year and Spurgeon is not that close but is closer. With no Brodin, this team would be completely different. Plays all the dirty minutes and is a top defensive defensemen.

Suter
Brodin
Spurgeon
Scandella
 
Jesus Brodin said:
He is our number 2. Scandella did not surpass him last year and Spurgeon is not that close but is closer. With no Brodin, this team would be completely different. Plays all the dirty minutes and is a top defensive defensemen.

Suter
Brodin
Spurgeon
Scandella
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Scandella plays the dirty minutes, and outproduces him. I think you'd be hard pressed to make a statistical argument that Brodin isn't the 4 right now. Brodin certainly isn't better than Spurgeon right now.
 
ThatGuy22 said:
Scandella plays the dirty minutes, and outproduces him. I think you'd be hard pressed to make a statistical argument that Brodin isn't the 4 right now. Brodin certainly isn't better than Spurgeon right now.
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Statistics do not mean everything. The little things 25 does in our zone nobody else can do. I agree Scandella produces but with Brodin babysitting Dumba right now we can't expect similar production. This position is actually called defense for a reason and maybe I take the term too literal but I value an elite defensive defensemen. I understand why you and many think Brodin would be 4 and I respect it, I just think a lot of us would be surprised the difference not having Brodin would make.

Spurgeon and Brodin are different players, both with different roles. Love both.
 
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Jesus Brodin said:
Statistics do not mean everything. The little things 25 does in our zone nobody else can do. I agree Scandella produces but with Brodin babysitting Dumba right now we can't expect similar production. This position is actually called defense for a reason and maybe I take the term too literal but I value an elite defensive defensemen. I understand why you and many think Brodin would be 4 and I respect it, I just think a lot of us would be surprised the difference not having Brodin would make.

Spurgeon and Brodin are different players, both with different roles. Love both.
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I also love defensive defensemen. And if hockey was only played in two zones(the D zone and neutral zone), Brodin would be the clear 2.

But there is a third zone that is also awfully important, and while Scandella and Spurgeon lose a bit to Brodin in the D zone, they gap between those two and Brodin in the O zone at this point is pretty massive. The net effect I think makes Brodin the clear 4, even if he's a 3 or even 2 on a lot of teams.
 
Alexandrov said:
Very difficult to rank Brodin, Scandella and Spurgeon.
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Equal, but with different attributes. Brodin is considered to have more upside because of his age(22). I mean, what will he be like in three years, which is where the other two are?

I love them all equally, like they are my sons.

Oh, and no, we are not trading for Hamonic.
 
57special said:
Equal, but with different attributes. Brodin is considered to have more upside because of his age(22). I mean, what will he be like in three years, which is where the other two are?

I love them all equally, like they are my sons.

Oh, and no, we are not trading for Hamonic.
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I dont want to get rid of hamonic nor am i asking for that reason. When some minny fans brought it up i got curious because i used to really like the way brodin played. But i havent watched a minny game yet this year unfortunately.
 
Stromeboy said:
I dont want to get rid of hamonic nor am i asking for that reason. When some minny fans brought it up i got curious because i used to really like the way brodin played. But i havent watched a minny game yet this year unfortunately.
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OK. It's really about what flavor of ice cream you like.

No one on NYI wants to get rid of Hamonic, but circumstances are saying you must.
 
ThatGuy22 said:
I also love defensive defensemen. And if hockey was only played in two zones(the D zone and neutral zone), Brodin would be the clear 2.

But there is a third zone that is also awfully important, and while Scandella and Spurgeon lose a bit to Brodin in the D zone, they gap between those two and Brodin in the O zone at this point is pretty massive. The net effect I think makes Brodin the clear 4, even if he's a 3 or even 2 on a lot of teams.
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Like I said, you make a fair argument. I just feel (strictly how I view the game) that the defensive zone is much more important than the offensive and I think the gap makes up for it. You don't and that is fine! :yo:
 
Stromeboy said:
where does brodin rank in your guys defense. i remember a year or two ago he was the best guy besides Suter. is that still the case?
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In our defense to our team I consider Brodin #4. Depending on what kind of system/player another team would want I could see the rationale for him being a better player right now than Scandella or Spurgeon, and in terms of trade value I could see the case being made as well, and its not wrong. But in terms of our defense on our team right now I think he's #4 and theres a noticeable gap both ways to #3 and #5.
 
Before Brodin came to the NHL and in the JWC, he produced offensively. In the NHL he's not even putting up secondary assists.

Where did it go wrong?
 
Generic User said:
He scored 12 points in 94 games over 3 seasons for Färjestad then played 9 games for the Aeros. Not sure where you saw him produce offense.
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Juniors, since he was just a child when he played for Färjestad. :)


But point taken.

Does he simply not have the offensive tools/instincts?
 
He is also surrounded by Offensive Dmen, which makes his defensive strengths needed. This year he has been paired a lot with Dumba, who is so offensive that Brodin spends a lot of time cleaning up his messes in the defensive zone.
 
57special said:
He is also surrounded by Offensive Dmen, which makes his defensive strengths needed. This year he has been paired a lot with Dumba, who is so offensive that Brodin spends a lot of time cleaning up his messes in the defensive zone.
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People undervalue Brodin like crazy because he doesn't make the Corsi [mod] like Spurge does. But he is crazy good at what he does which is not make the opponents get good chances. Like you said he plays so defensive due to Dumba's willingness to jump in, and honestly if Dumba takes off and ends up being what we want him to be I'm ok with Brodin being a Ying to Dumba's Yang.
 
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forthewild said:
People undervalue Brodin like crazy because he doesn't make the Corsi [mod] like Spurge does. But he is crazy good at what he does which is not make the opponents get good chances. Like you said he plays so defensive due to Dumba's willingness to jump in, and honestly if Dumba takes off and ends up being what we want him to be I'm ok with Brodin being a Ying to Dumba's Yang.
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Brodin and Dumba, theoretically, should be the perfect pairings for each other. Just gonna have to grow into those roles though.

Scandella and Spurgeon were/are great partners now, that's what Brodin and Dumba could be in the future, except they'd be Top 2 players like Suter.

I feel like Dumba should get some of the Brodin treatment and play with Suter for an extended period of time. Allow Brodin to play with someone like Folin (Swedes) & you can have the great pairing of Scandella - Spurgeon. Also, you could set it up so Dumba gets a lower TOI by only using him in more offensive situations & replacing him with Spurgeon and Brodin to play with Suter in other situations.
 
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Stumbled across this 94-95 Lidstrom scouting report... Reminded me of Brodin (replace all Coffey references with Suter):

THE FINESSE GAME

After a somewhat disappointing sophomore season, Lidstrom stepped up his game last season, thanks largely to the influence of his partner, Paul Coffey.

Lidstrom is an excellent skater and has good vision of the ice. He prefers to look for the breakout pass, rather than carry the puck, and he has a very good point shot. He is not as effective moving the puck in the attacking zone, although he sees point duty on the second power play unit. Coffey has given Lidstrom the confidence to pick his spots in moving in deep into the offensive zone. Now Lidstrom will carry in deep with the puck and look for a play, or just shoot on net to see what happens. Good things usually develop.

He seems to have a little trouble handling the puck in his feet, which is unusual for European skaters, who traditionally have some soccer training.

THE PHYSICAL GAME

Lidstrom does not take the body well, but he does take great pains to protect the puck with his body. He won't cough up the puck out of fear of getting hit. He is a very solid skater, although playing with Coffey and being more aggressive himself usually means Lidstrom has to scramble back on defense.

THE INTANGIBLES

The tremendous young defense corps in Los Angeles (Darryl Sydor, Rob Blake, Alexei Zhitnik) give Paul Coffey a great deal of credit for their development the brief time Coffey was with the Kings. Coffey has had a similarly beneficial effect on Lidstrom, who still has his best hockey ahead of him. Lidstrom may never dictate the tempo of a game the way Coffey could, but he is just a cut below the NHL's elite offensive defensemen at this stage.
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