Proposal: Jonas Brodin for Ryan Spooner & Brandon Carlo
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wintersej
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I think Carlo is too strong as the plus, but Spooner+ is a solid basis for a Brodin (or Fowler, or Shattenkirk) deal.
i'd do it if we had a deal in place to trade another of our D. otherwise that'll just be two of our D gone and likely no impact player coming back. in other words, our D depth--our only strength--will be demolished and we'll have picked up another 3rd/2nd tweener. so yeah, not much point. rather keep both Brodin and Scandella, say, and still have one of them at the end of this than lose both and only pick up Spooner+. Nothing against Spooner, but we don't need him, and he won't be a clear upgrade in any important role.
I have 0 interest in Spooner. Wild already have Granlund (same size/age/stats) and moved him to wing. Spooner probably would see little PP time, and isn't a PKer.
Wild are better off losing Brodin for nothing to Vegas than making this trade and losing Scandella for nothing to Vegas.
Carlo is a nice prospect, big RH D-first D-man. But still don't see him taking a spot away from anyone in the near future.
Wild are better off losing Brodin for nothing to Vegas than making this trade and losing Scandella for nothing to Vegas.
Carlo is a nice prospect, big RH D-first D-man. But still don't see him taking a spot away from anyone in the near future.
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That's a curious thought process... Minnesota is well insulated to lose a defenceman to the draft, moreso than any other team probably. If they trade one, and lose one to the draft still, then they've gone from a strength to a deficit.
Coming out of the expansion draft with 4 top 4 defencemen will be a huge advantage the following year, imo.
What are the Wild looking for? Though the D was an area of strenght for your club.
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1C or 1RW. Spooner is neither. Brodin won't return one of those on his own so it would have to be a bigger package.
"Wild are better off losing Brodin for nothing"
Safe to say....You're not in management, sales or self-employed.
Haha
What they said is correct though. Every team is going to lose a player and it will likely be a defender for Minnesota. Is it better to lose two defenders overall and force a trade for some pieces that might help us, while also creating a hole in the top 4, or lose a player and keep a solid top 4 intact while also having Olofsson/Reilly ready to play 3rd pair.
Is Spooner an upgrade over Koivu/Staal? Haula is a giant wild card for us. Last season he had stretches where he was our best center and stretches where he wasn't worth getting any playing time. Half a season of 4C and half a season of 60+pt pace.
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If I were Las Vegas, I'd take as many as I could. The team would be back heavy for year one to make up for their forward deficiency, and then make trades to balance it out over time.
Not too many teams have 4 legit top 4 defence, let alone 5. I don't think there are many teams that could soften the impact of the draft as well as Minnesota on defence.
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I just think you're overestimating how many legit top-4s are going to move in the draft. Most teams are already lining up fall-guys in order to protect their valuable pieces, and we're still a year out.
If Vegas selected 4 legit top-4 guys, then they would be one of the few in the league that you say could actually boast such a crop. As a first-year expansion team... that's probably not happening. The over/under is more like 3, out of the 30 teams. That leaves a lot of teams whose defensive cores will still be intact.
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I'll admit I don't know the protection list for every team, but I can't picture less than 6 teams who have one more defencemen worth protecting over 3 forwards.
Guys like Brodin/Scandella, Methot, J.Johnson, Martin, Markov, Ellis/Ekholm, Boychuk, Myers/Enstrom, etc. Just a few names who could be exposed, without going through every team. If I was one of the few teams with an insulating option, I would just hold on, take the singular loss, and still have a quality defence for the following year, versus the teams who could lose one, and have to fill a top 4 role with a 5/6 D player.
At least 9?
Vegas probably takes as many good dmen as possible. A #4-D seems to have more value than most bottom-6 FWDs. Then flip a few of those for a better FWD than is offered in the expansion draft.
Next year becomes a sellers market for Dmen. At least 9 teams will have an opening in their d-groups, some other teams already have openings in their d-groups.
Spooner isn't a need any more as we signed a pseudo-reclamation project in Staal. Carlo intrigues me, but we do have really deep defense and ok prospect pipeline behind that too.
More I think about this, I believe that Wild won't move any D before the expansion draft. Okay, we'll lose Brodin or Scandella to Vegas, but we'll still have Suter, Spurgeon, Dumba and one of Brodin or Scandella left to fill out the top-4. Also Reilly, Folin and Olofsson to fill out the bottom 6, we're all good with defense still after the expansion draft.
I would say polite no thank you but still leave options to give up Brodin in a package for a #1C or #1 RW.
More I think about this, I believe that Wild won't move any D before the expansion draft. Okay, we'll lose Brodin or Scandella to Vegas, but we'll still have Suter, Spurgeon, Dumba and one of Brodin or Scandella left to fill out the top-4. Also Reilly, Folin and Olofsson to fill out the bottom 6, we're all good with defense still after the expansion draft.
I would say polite no thank you but still leave options to give up Brodin in a package for a #1C or #1 RW.
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We are going to lose one anyway. Three options here.
1) Trade one, lose the other in the draft
2) Trade both, lose a forward in the draft
3) Trade none, lose one in the draft, retain one for our future
Seems to me that option 3 is the best option
Spooner and Carlo is too much from Boston. It also doesn't look like it is the right type of return for the Wild according to their fans on this board so it looks like it would get rejected all around.
