In Memoriam Johnny Gaudreau & Matthew Gaudreau killed by drunk driver while cycling (MOD WARNING. No Flaming, Trolling, or Politics.)

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Three On Zero

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I said that earlier today. If anything many people if they’ve had a few drinks drive a bit more cautious. I had a cop once tell myself and a bunch of friends at a bar in a college town if you’ve had a few, drive as usual, if I see you going 28 in a 30, making 5 second long stops at stop signs and making perfect slow turns I can sense you’re guilty as hell and I’m going to pull you over more than the guy going 36 in a 30 who rolls through a stop sign
Depends on the situation I think. Someone leaving the bar and driving through town streets likely is going to be more cautious, but once they get to the less travelled more rural roads they likely turn into an asshole driver.
 

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That's not entirely accurate....
Alcohol affects how your brain functions. It’s a central nervous system (CNS) depressant, which impairs your natural ability to perform cognitive functions like forming memories, making decisions, and regulating emotions or urges.

Jennifer Worley, a licensed marriage and family therapist from First Light Recovery, San Juan Capistrano, California, explains alcohol changes neurotransmitter levels, especially those of gamma aminobutyric acid and dopamine.

“As a result, alcohol can lower inhibitions and alter judgment, cognition, and mood,” she says. “When people consume alcohol, it can magnify underlying feelings or tendencies, making them more pronounced.”
 

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but I'm trying to look at the picture of how can these sorts of events be prevented in the future.
They can’t all be prevented, unfortunately. There will always be selfish pieces of shit out there who are going to do what they want, regardless of how dangerous it is to others. Discouraged/reduced? Sure, we could make the punishments for drunk driving much more severe, to the point where some portion of these kind of assholes would think twice before doing it.
It think the mental health angle stands.
Based on what? Until the judge or some kind of expert says that mental health was a factor, this is just baseless conjecture on your part.
but I suspect that drunk drivers in general are pretty much just ordinary people without any special selfish personality trait.
No. Ordinary people don’t drink and drive. The vast majority of people have never done it, despite alcohol consumption being ubiquitous in society. If you drink and drive, you’re a selfish piece of shit, period.
The problem is that alcohol by its very nature impairs people’s judgment, so they’re evaluating their choices and safety/danger dynamics through a fuzzy filter.
That’s no excuse, and you can’t blame the alcohol; refer to my above statement. I’ve been drunk many times in my life, and I’ve never decided to get behind the wheel while inebriated. There is no level of intoxication that will make me think it’s a good idea to drive while in that state. Any time I’ve been drunk, I always still knew what I was doing, and could still make decisions. If you are physically capable of driving, you’ve made the decision to do so. He made a choice.
 

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Alcohol affects how your brain functions. It’s a central nervous system (CNS) depressant, which impairs your natural ability to perform cognitive functions like forming memories, making decisions, and regulating emotions or urges.

Jennifer Worley, a licensed marriage and family therapist from First Light Recovery, San Juan Capistrano, California, explains alcohol changes neurotransmitter levels, especially those of gamma aminobutyric acid and dopamine.

“As a result, alcohol can lower inhibitions and alter judgment, cognition, and mood,” she says. “When people consume alcohol, it can magnify underlying feelings or tendencies, making them more pronounced.”

Can she says...
Typically does you say....

There is a difference hence the reason I said what I said.
 

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It's not my circles, it's society. Go sit in a pub and watch how many people have a handful of drinks and drive home. Now multiply that by basically every pub/bar/restaurant in the country. Drinking and driving is extremely common. You don't want to say it's normal, fine, because I don't know how to define normal anyway, but it's very, very common.

Every 39 minutes, someone dies in the US from drinking and driving. That's just those who die. There's far more who are injured, and even more who get home just fine.

It's a big problem because of how many people do it.

Been to a ton of sporting events and watched guys go up and down for beers all game long. I’m sure many are heading to their car as soon as the game is over, yet, I have never seen a check stop outside one of these events. Wonder why?

Society gives a lot of lip service to drinking and driving. That’s all it is, lip service. The penalties need to be extremely harsh, even when no one is injured.

Condolences to the Gaudreau family.
 

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The way murder is defined by law, in most states, requires intent, which is why this type of stuff often ends up in vehicular homicide or manslaughter charges, which carry much leaner sentences.

I like the states that have 3rd degree murder definitions, because they allow for harsher sentences without requiring intent like 1st and 2nd degree murder do. Unfortunately only 3 states have 3rd degree murder definitions.

Well I think all countries (at least Canada and US) need to bring a law where if you choose to drive when drunk and you kill someone, then you get automatic life in prison. No and, ifs or buts. You killed someone and that the individual is not coming back ever. So you should lose your freedom in life and spend the rest of your life in prison.

Because drinking and driving is completely avoidable and the only reason it still continues to happen is because that person chooses to do it and take that risk. If you make the decision to take that risk then you should be willing to face the consequences if you kill someone.
 

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This seems like a road rage scenario. I don't know, but it sure seems like it.

They can’t be prevented. There will always be selfish pieces of shit out there who are going to do what they want, regardless of how dangerous it is to others. Discouraged/reduced? Sure, we could make the punishments for drunk driving much more severe, to the point where some portion of these kind of assholes would think twice before doing it.

Based on what? Until the judge or some kind of expert says that mental health was a factor, this is just baseless conjecture on your part.

No. Ordinary people don’t drink and drive. The vast majority of people have never done it, despite alcohol consumption being ubiquitous in society. If you drink and drive, you’re a selfish piece of shit, period.

That’s no excuse, and you can’t blame the alcohol; refer to my above statement. I’ve been drunk many times in my life, and I’ve never decided to get behind the wheel while inebriated. There is no level of intoxication that will make me think it’s a good idea to drive while in that state. Any time I’ve been drunk, I always still knew what I was doing, and could still make decisions. If you are physically capable of driving, you’ve made the decision to do so. He made a choice.
You're taking the punitive angle with respect to this guy Higgins, and I am taking the general populace angle. We're talking about two different things. I'm not a judge in some court, nor would I ever want to be. Tragedy occurred. How do we react?

I think excessive alcohol consumption, and the potentially violent implications are potential mental health issues amidst the general populace. Not everyone can afford a therapist. Nor should they necessarily even try to. But sometimes it takes a moment of reaching out.
 
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Can she says...
Typically does you say....

There is a difference hence the reason I said what I said.
That’s the difference between a professionally written article and a comment on a hockey forum. At the end of the day it’s the same outcome.
 

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Depends on the situation I think. Someone leaving the bar and driving through town streets likely is going to be more cautious, but once they get to the less travelled more rural roads they likely turn into an asshole driver.

Part of it is speed and lighting. Once you get out of town the speed limit rises (someone said this incident was in a 50mph zone) and the street lighting goes away, so the margin to react to danger gets really slim. Throw in a large amount of alcohol and you’re past the threshold for reaction time.

Painting with a broad brush, people who live in rural areas also tend to have the “I know this road like the back of my hand” overconfidence which leads to pushing boundaries.
 

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Part of it is speed and lighting. Once you get out of town the speed limit rises (someone said this incident was in a 50mph zone) and the street lighting goes away, so the margin to react to danger gets really slim. Throw in a large amount of alcohol and you’re past the threshold for reaction time.

Painting with a broad brush, people who live in rural areas also tend to have the “I know this road like the back of my hand” overconfidence which leads to pushing boundaries.
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This seems like a road rage scenario. I don'

You're taking the punitive angle with respect to this guy Higgins, and I am taking the general populace angle. We're talking about two different things. I'm not a judge in some court, nor would I ever want to be. Tragedy occurred. How do we react?

I think excessive alcohol consumption, and the potentially violent implications are potential mental health issues amidst the general populace. Not everyone can afford a therapist. Nor should they necessarily even try to. But sometimes it takes a moment of reaching out.
You think a jackass like this guy would give a shit if you “reached out”? He’d tell you to f*** off. Again, go watch his court appearance - it tells you all you need to know about him.

You are bringing in a separate issue without even a hint of evidence that it is related to this case. If you want to talk about something else entirely, maybe find the appropriate thread.

Like I said before, some people are just vile human beings, and there is no other explanation, nor does there need to be.

This naive, idealist “everyone is a victim” mentality is not going to help anyone. Quite the opposite, actually; it enables unacceptable behaviour by providing a preemptive excuse without requiring merit or justification.
 
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Been to a ton of sporting events and watched guys go up and down for beers all game long. I’m sure many are heading to their car as soon as the game is over, yet, I have never seen a check stop outside one of these events. Wonder why?

Society gives a lot of lip service to drinking and driving. That’s all it is, lip service. The penalties need to be extremely harsh, even when no one is injured.

Condolences to the Gaudreau family.
Yeah, in my city, most of the people I see are going to the TTC or GO immediately after (not that there aren't drivers around, but its likely significantly less than a lot of arenas) or going right into the downtown core for a late dinner or a bar. I'm always amazed at some of the suburban stadiums though, where there is very limited transport options (such as the Bills Stadium). This probably varies by city, and where the stadium/arena is located. Like, I think I can count the amount of times I've gone to SBA or Skydome on one hand by car. Granted, I get there are a ton of arenas that simply aren't located like that or are cities without adequate public transit (or most of the people attending live in the suburbs).
 

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No. Ordinary people don’t drink and drive.

You’re welcome to your own definition of “ordinary”, but you’d probably find that a lot of people you consider “ordinary” or even admirable have DUIs on their record and you just don’t know it. Something like 3% of the drivers on the road at a given moment are legally impaired, which sounds like a small number until you consider how it adds up over the course of time.

To put it another way, how many people do you think are legally impaired when they leave an NHL playoff game? At least a third of them, right? Most of them are pretty ordinary people, making a decision they’re not proud of in the morning.


The vast majority of people have never done it, despite alcohol consumption being ubiquitous in society.

56% of men admit to having driven drunk, and there will always be more who won’t admit to it.


The same source notes that about 1/3 of men believe they can drive safely after 3 drinks, which is legal impairment. And I’m assuming those guys were sober when asked the question, so consider what that stat looks like after they’ve actually had 3 drinks already.
 

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You think a jackass like this guy would give a shit if you “reached out”? He’d tell you to f*** off. Again, go watch his court appearance - it tells you all you need to know about him.

You are bringing in a separate issue without even a hint of evidence that it is related to this case. If you want to talk about something else entirely, maybe find the appropriate thread.

Like I said before, some people are just vile human beings, and there is no other explanation, nor does there need to be.

This naive, idealist “everyone is a victim” mentality is not going to help anyone. Quite the opposite, actually; it enables unacceptable behaviour by providing an excuse without requiring merit or justification.
If I was in prison with this guy, I'd tell him what I thought, but what hopefully wouldn't backfire. Like "Who are you? Do you understand what happened." type of thing. Pretty much any court is going to slam down on him for manslaughtering two individuals.
 

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You think the vast majority of people are not sober behind the wheel? :huh:
I changed majority to amount.

18,000+ people go to a sporting event, you’d be naive to believe people aren’t indulging in a few drinks and going home.

Families go out for dinner, you’d be naive to think someone doesn’t enjoy a beer with dinner and drive home.

Legally we are allowed to drink and drive
 

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