NeelyWasAWarrior
Don't Poke The Bear
He should pay for what he has done. Clearly he's 100% liable for what happened but I'm not going to discount his combat service for playing a role in his problems. Just will not do it.
In Memoriam Johnny Gaudreau & Matthew Gaudreau killed by drunk driver while cycling (MOD WARNING. No Flaming, Trolling, or Politics.)
- Thread starter Koivu11
- Start date
-
Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
He should pay for what he has done. Clearly he's 100% liable for what happened but I'm not going to discount his combat service for playing a role in his problems. Just will not do it.
- Dec 10, 2012
- 41,432
- 19,536
Without specific examples I can't agree or disagree, but there are a lot of situations where common sense goes out the window when bad things happen, and emotions take over.
ChiHawks10
Registered User
I'm laughing at his awful take that "accidents" don't exist, and every traffic accident is a result of someone being reckless or making poor decisions. Thought it was pretty damn obvious if you read the rest of my post. It's a ridiculous opinion.
Last edited:
- Dec 10, 2012
- 41,432
- 19,536
Definitely be aware of scams, but I will say, a lot of times Gofundmes aren't set up by immediate family, often times by family friends who recognize that the family is too distraught to address these types of things and will take initiative to help.
Cloned
Begging for Bega
- Aug 25, 2003
- 82,214
- 73,129
The level of grief is unimaginable.
Losing two people to a senseless act when another family member should be getting married is utterly devastating.
The sister is probably feeling guilt on top of the grief too. Ugh.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Enniskillen
Registered User
- Jan 16, 2021
- 1,067
- 1,657
He is not a combat veteran after all, he was in Kosovo, but wasn’t engaged in any conflict.
NeelyWasAWarrior
Don't Poke The Bear
Yeah Kosovo was more of a peacekeeping mission. On the surface that changes things for me.
TheNumber4
Registered User
- Nov 11, 2011
- 48,678
- 60,537
Possibly the saddest event in hockey history?
The tragedy of this whole situation, the wedding, the pregnant widow, two brothers… it’s just so unbelievably tragic.
RIP Johnny and Matthews. Condolences to the Gaudreau family. God damn this whole situation sucks.
The tragedy of this whole situation, the wedding, the pregnant widow, two brothers… it’s just so unbelievably tragic.
RIP Johnny and Matthews. Condolences to the Gaudreau family. God damn this whole situation sucks.
Monsieur Miz
Registered User
- Nov 3, 2017
- 4,798
- 8,690
Who cares if he was in the military? We're just grasping at everything to find excuses for this bozo.
ChiHawks10
Registered User
Yeah, military service doesn't preclude someone from being a piece of shit that just killed two young men because of his shitty decision to drink and drive, and drive like an asshole.
ReddestRum
Sad even when winning
- Dec 19, 2013
- 3,965
- 5,350
2nd degree vehicular homicide is only a max 10 years? Even if you were inebriated / drunk at the wheel?
SantosHalper
Get off my lawn
RIP John & Matt
So sad and so unfair, two guys in the prime of their life and on their sisters wedding day, the time when families gains more people. This hits hard.
So sad and so unfair, two guys in the prime of their life and on their sisters wedding day, the time when families gains more people. This hits hard.
Diogenes92
Registered User
ChiHawks10
Registered User
ReddestRum
Sad even when winning
- Dec 19, 2013
- 3,965
- 5,350
Man I wonder how I did 20 years in the Marines and years after my service without being a f***ing idiot and driving while drunk and killing people doing it. What a hardship it was.
/sarcasm
S1N4TR4
CBJ CBJ CBJ
- Nov 15, 2013
- 6,507
- 5,489
I simply cannot wrap my mind around this.
I first started reading the rumors around midnight and thought… “what? no. no way” … I continued reading throughout the night.
I went to sleep.
I woke up 3 hours into my sleep to check my phone.
I got the confirmation.
I couldn’t go back to sleep.
I will never ever forget exactly where I was when I first found out Johnny was signing with us. out of every team, he chose Columbus… and was proud of it. genuinely proud.
Johnny… so so so much more life left to live and so so so much more to give to the wonderful sport of hockey. a life taken in an instance be a drunk driver.
the hockey world has been forever changed on this day.
devastation across it and our beautiful city of Columbus.
God be with the Gaudreau’s, forever. Amen.
swiftwin
★SUMMER.OF.STEVE★
- Jul 26, 2005
- 24,539
- 14,359
Accidents... which by definition... are not done on purpose, don't happen on roads?
This is an awful tragedy, and completely avoidable. This situation was not an "accident" in any way.
But this post is absolute nonsense. Sure, some accidents happen because of things you said. A LOT of accidents happen for many other reasons outside of someone's choices and recklessness.
Look up the definition of accident:
1. an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
2. an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.
This is the only one that might actually be an accident, assuming the person was not negligent in car maintenance. Like I posted elsewhere, these account for 3-4% of accident in Canada.
Not an accident. The driver did not drive to the conditions. Error in judgement? Sure. But there's nothing unexpected or "without cause" about black ice when it's below freezing outside.
I remember failing my first written driving test when i was 16 because of this multiple choice question. "If you drive at 60kph on a road with a 60kph speed limit, and you hit ice causing you to blow a stop sign, what was the cause?" I said it was because of the ice. But that was the wrong answer. The correct answer was "Did not drive to the conditions". That question has stuck with me 20+ years later.
How does this end up in a crash? If someone enters lane you are trying to merge into, you can go back into the lane you were originally in. If a crash happens, someone did something wrong. Again, nothing about this is an accident. Someone took a wrong action. Error in judgement. The word accident implies there was nothing anyone could do about it.
Unless it's a moose, you're never supposed swerve unless you're 100% sure you won't hit another car. Again. Error in judgement. Not an accident. Also, were you scanning the sides of the road for animals? Why not?
Obviously, driving drunk is nowhere near the same as the examples you cited.
When driving, 100% of your attention should be on doing every little thing right to prevent crashes from happening. Doing so would
Obviously, in the real world, it doesn't work like that. It a big sliding scale. On a good day, driving only occupies 90% of our attention and mistakes or lapses in judgement can happen. Too many people are closer to 40%. By calling crashes "accidents", absolves us from to trying to be as close as possible to that 100%. Almost all accidents are caused by someone making a wrong decision. Often, they are forgivable very minor lapses in judgement, but often, they are also bigger less forgivable lapses. We need to stop normalizing this behaviour and treat driving like the serious activity it is. Cutting out the word "accident" is a first step towards that.
Diogenes92
Registered User
Harsher penalties are needed for causing tragedies such as this.
I have zero time or sympathy for somebody who murders innocent people while being willfully negligent. Lock him up and throw away the keys.
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,103
- 35,938
I couldn't imagine a sadder event. A tragedy of unparalleled proportions.
Turin
Registered User
- Feb 27, 2018
- 24,790
- 29,731
Uh... it's in the name.
Accidents can happen despite no malice of forethought or recklessness at all. Sometimes vehicles fail, or weather compromises a drivers ability to control the vehicle. This drunk driver doesn't fall into that category, as he made a choice that makes him guilty of vehicular homicide and nobody said otherwise.
"People like you are the problem" What, people who want harsh sentences to drunk drivers who have a family at home and drive a 40 minute commute on the highway every day? People like me are the problem?
Making a factual statement "riding your bike on the road at night is more dangerous than doing so during the day" does not at all exonerate one party and judge the other. It's just common sense. So if you know somebody who likes to bike on the road at night, maybe counsel them to stop or utilize bright lights and reflective gear. Or just try to shame people online who make common sense statements into making your utopia a reality.
Vipers31
Advanced Stagnostic
Many thoughts are going through my mind on this and have been since I first encountered rumors. Mostly, extreme sadness for the families, they deserved to celebrate an extremely special day among their loved ones, not lose them. It’s gut-wrenching, and one can mostly wish them strength to handle this. I firmly believe you don’t get over it, but you learn to accept it as a matter of fact without it radiating pain forever. I hope all involved get there as soon as possible.
I personally believe that putting the driver in prison for 10+ years is not going to help anyone, despite his brutally reckless behavior, starting with his willingness to drive after drinking, ending with his decisions on the wheel. I think it’s both wrong and pointless to equate it to murder, but I understand the impulse to seek retribution in his punishment. From my own experience, I think it’s most likely you’ll find that driver to end up a victim of his own actions, as well - which doesn’t mean he should be spared, but treating him like an unrepentant killer isn’t going to provide anyone justice (unless he does not accept his guilt and its consequences).
Lastly, and not meant to serve as any kind of excuse - because the driver made the decision he made under given circumstances -, I would hope that many countries do more to protect non-motorized participants in traffic. To some degree, there’s an infrastructure issue contributing to events like this. Whether it’s more secure bike paths (beyond merely drawn lines), even sidewalks or just bus lines to give people less unattractive or cab-type costly alternatives to just driving „buzzed“ for a „few miles“ - more can and should be done to get fewer people to apply the logic behind the bad decisions that left Johnny and his brother dead. Again, that’s no excuse for the driver, he made his horrific decisions knowing the options he had, but I’m positive we can and should do more to help people not be stupid and ruin or straight up end others‘ (and, usually, to a significant degree their own) lives over their flawed cost/benefit-analyses as they get behind the wheel.
Got to end on wishing the Gaudreaus and their friends strength and all the support they don’t even know they might need to move on to continue to live as happily as Johnny and Matt would want them to, as they rest in peace.
I personally believe that putting the driver in prison for 10+ years is not going to help anyone, despite his brutally reckless behavior, starting with his willingness to drive after drinking, ending with his decisions on the wheel. I think it’s both wrong and pointless to equate it to murder, but I understand the impulse to seek retribution in his punishment. From my own experience, I think it’s most likely you’ll find that driver to end up a victim of his own actions, as well - which doesn’t mean he should be spared, but treating him like an unrepentant killer isn’t going to provide anyone justice (unless he does not accept his guilt and its consequences).
Lastly, and not meant to serve as any kind of excuse - because the driver made the decision he made under given circumstances -, I would hope that many countries do more to protect non-motorized participants in traffic. To some degree, there’s an infrastructure issue contributing to events like this. Whether it’s more secure bike paths (beyond merely drawn lines), even sidewalks or just bus lines to give people less unattractive or cab-type costly alternatives to just driving „buzzed“ for a „few miles“ - more can and should be done to get fewer people to apply the logic behind the bad decisions that left Johnny and his brother dead. Again, that’s no excuse for the driver, he made his horrific decisions knowing the options he had, but I’m positive we can and should do more to help people not be stupid and ruin or straight up end others‘ (and, usually, to a significant degree their own) lives over their flawed cost/benefit-analyses as they get behind the wheel.
Got to end on wishing the Gaudreaus and their friends strength and all the support they don’t even know they might need to move on to continue to live as happily as Johnny and Matt would want them to, as they rest in peace.
