Crosby2010
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Correct. He needs to be held accountable, and he needs to accept that responsibility. No matter what his sentence is he is still here, and Johnny and Matthew aren't.
In Memoriam Johnny Gaudreau & Matthew Gaudreau killed by drunk driver while cycling (MOD WARNING. No Flaming, Trolling, or Politics.)
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Correct. He needs to be held accountable, and he needs to accept that responsibility. No matter what his sentence is he is still here, and Johnny and Matthew aren't.
red devil
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I wonder if the Flames wait until the Blue Jackets visit Calgary on Dec 3 to retire number 13.
Fish on The Sand
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The Internet has bred way too many contrarians. Some people seem to think opposing prevailing sentiment for its own sake is somehow virtuous and proof of how "independent" they are. In actuality they are just a bunch of assholes who either got bullied too much or not enough when they were in school.
SI90
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Christ it keeps getting worse. This is incredibly sad
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If you’re referring to the Gaudreau incident, it doesn’t appear there was a shoulder. In general you are correct tho but some states like Md allow it. Different rules everywhere
theVladiator
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Not coincide.
You start with enforcing the rules you have. If that isn't helping, look into harsher punishment. But saying "we need harsher punishments" when the existing rules/laws aren't being enforced makes little sense.
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This is dangerous. Prevailing sentiment is not always infallible. And seemingly a lot of people who buy into prevailing sentiment right away tend to villainize those who would rather ask questions and figure out all the facts at play before coming to a conclusion.
Jeune Poulet
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I like to clown around on this forum and today I just can't. Last night I went to bed not knowing for sure whether it was true or not but fearing for the worse. I played back over and over the time where I was myself hit by a car, almost 20 years ago. It happened while I was walking in Montreal but I was never able to ride a bike in this city ever again. I still have PTSD from that, and one pretty f***ed up leg that still hurts from time to time.
I also thought about all the people I know, some closer to me than others, who have been involved in incidents involving a vehicle. So many people.
I have been thinking all day about what/if/when to write a post about this. Trying to sort out through intense emotions. Of course I've been thinking of the Gaudreaus. But I guess at this point I just want. to say, if you're ready this and you're someone who has been impacted negatively by this type of incident, directly or indirectlyI feel for you.
And I hope you're doing your best to live your best life but if sometimes, reading about shitty tragedies like this gets you down, you're not a wuss. If you read how it happened and want to punch this guy, you're not a monster. And if you're someone who has been driving negligently, or has a substance abuse problem, get help.
I also thought about all the people I know, some closer to me than others, who have been involved in incidents involving a vehicle. So many people.
I have been thinking all day about what/if/when to write a post about this. Trying to sort out through intense emotions. Of course I've been thinking of the Gaudreaus. But I guess at this point I just want. to say, if you're ready this and you're someone who has been impacted negatively by this type of incident, directly or indirectlyI feel for you.
And I hope you're doing your best to live your best life but if sometimes, reading about shitty tragedies like this gets you down, you're not a wuss. If you read how it happened and want to punch this guy, you're not a monster. And if you're someone who has been driving negligently, or has a substance abuse problem, get help.
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Most rational post on this thread
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Combat veteran with rank of major. He is an embarrassment for the US Army. Too entitled as his previous speeding tickets and DUI weren’t processed properly. He simply didn’t give a sh.t.
Fish on The Sand
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I actually disagree here. I think he stuck around because there were witnesses.
Everything about his levels of obscene negligence and dickish attitude in his hearing today suggests he would have bolted off given the chance.
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Even without it, death by auto in New Jersey is minimum 5 years and maximum 10, required to serve 85%. He'll get 2 counts consecutively, but even if he gets the max, that's 17 years after parole. His max sentence is 17 years.
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Nanuuk
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Might be too soon. Plus December 3 is Matthew's widow's due date.
dirtydanglez
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light remains for a while after sunset. i assume dusk would probably be around 8pm which sounds like when the accident happened.
the pictures of the roads i seen make it looks mostly straight and flat with not many trees so probably no shadows or dark spots.
sneakytitz
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This is so heartbreaking, but sadly happens too often for us to keep track of.
The Gaudreaus, godspeed in the recovery process. I'm at a loss as to compare how difficult this must be.
The driver, only hope he learns something from this, like I hope all of the nervous lunatics on the 407/Pine Valley Dr do daily (I'm sure some of you are reading this).
It's not a damn race, nobody cares what you drive, gunning saves 5 minutes overall tops (check Waze), and we mostly laugh at you, until this crap happens.
The Gaudreaus, godspeed in the recovery process. I'm at a loss as to compare how difficult this must be.
The driver, only hope he learns something from this, like I hope all of the nervous lunatics on the 407/Pine Valley Dr do daily (I'm sure some of you are reading this).
It's not a damn race, nobody cares what you drive, gunning saves 5 minutes overall tops (check Waze), and we mostly laugh at you, until this crap happens.
red devil
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Didn't realize that, maybe just unofficial retire it for this year and then do a ceremony next year
There is no other side.
This isn't a case where we don't know What happened, we know EXACTLY What happened.
Some piece of shit got drunk, and then because he's a piece of shit he got behind the wheel where he proceeded to kill 2 people.
That's What happened what side could he possibly have?
What's he going to say?
Is he going to claim that a gun was held to his head and he was forced to drive drunk?
Because unless he can prove something like that, and he can't because it didn't happen.
He doesn't get to have a side.
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Would caution be aware of scam gofundmes, would be surprised if the family was in a state of mind to set this up so quick.
RIP Johnny & Matty, as for the drunk driver, sure he deserves the hate but similar to the outrage after shootings there’s a systemic failure that allows the opportunity for it to happen. I can’t speak for NJ but I drove in different provinces in Canada for over 20 years and never once came across a random breathalyzer check. I’ve now lived in Australia over10 years and get stopped at least 4x year, morning or evening at random checks. Norway has a 0.02% legal limit which is closer to what it should be.
I’ve lost a best friend, co-worker, family friends son to drunk driving and yet the laws and enforcement haven’t really changed in decades so it’s socially acceptable to have a few and jump behind the wheel which is sad, tragic day but same as when my friend killed himsrlf drunk driving it wasn’t an accident, it was inevitable.
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ChiHawks10
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From a Columbus newspaper.
"New Jersey State Police said the Gaudreau brothers died after a suspected drunk driver crashed into them shortly before 8:30 p.m. as they biked along rural Pennsville Auburn Road (Salem County Route 551). It was roughly an hour after sunset."
So it was probably pretty dark already, honestly.
Why the f*** are you laughing
Accidents... which by definition... are not done on purpose, don't happen on roads?
This is an awful tragedy, and completely avoidable. This situation was not an "accident" in any way.
But this post is absolute nonsense. Sure, some accidents happen because of things you said. A LOT of accidents happen for many other reasons outside of someone's choices and recklessness.
Car blows a tire and swerves into another car... accident. Car hits a patch of black ice and slides into a concrete wall or another car... accident. I've had it happen more times than I can count where I've checked my blind spot and it's clear, so I've gone to change lanes on like a highway/tollway/interstate, and someone else changes lanes from the far right lane into the same middle lane I'm trying to change into, and we almost get in an accident. I've seen this happen where the cars do actually get into an accident on account of it. Car has to swerve to miss an animal that runs out, hits another car... accident. None of these things are on account of recklessness. They're... by definition... accidents.
Plenty of accidents happen involving people driving in a "safe and responsible manner."
Maybe you should clarify your post by saying something like "Drunk driving accidents aren't "accidents."
