John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[deadhead]

Didn’t realize he was 4’8.

For as likeable as Torts is coming across in his interviews, the stuff about the entire city of Philadelphia being a hard working, blue collar “straight ahead” city is a little outdated and cliche is it not? I thought the only people able to afford tickets these days and attend games don’t meet the profile very much?

Most of your fan base watches it on TV, and maybe goes to a few games a year.
And most people with money are professionals and small business owners (most millionaires), not rich finance guys (they're in NYC).

Philly fans do tend to ride players who half ass it (or look like they're doing so) hard, but will cheer for try hard guys as long as they win on a regular basis (try hard but pitiful is asking too much!).

 

[Beef Invictus]

All the fan fiction being written about how amazingly competent management will be is going to become even funnier when they demonstrate they're the same as they ever were

 

[Magua]

Is it good management to need to hire a coach known for accountability because your previous player and coaching acquisitions, to create a winning culture, created a team with no accountability?

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

A few teams expressed interest in St. Louis. He chose to sign with the Tampa Bay Lightning as he believed they were the most likely to give him playing time in the NHL.[6] He made his debut with the team on October 6, 2000.[15] He struggled at first, failing to score a goal in the first six weeks of the season and again found himself out of the lineup at times. Realizing that he was at a career crossroads, St. Louis abandoned the changes to his game that his NHL coaches had impressed on him, trusting his own instincts.[6] He scored his first goal of the season in late November, and finished the season with 18 goals and 40 points – 34 of which came after December 1.[15]


Here's a point in favor of those who claim that a good % of NHL coaches are idiots.
I'm guessing they trying to get ST. Louis to play the "right way" ie something similar to the Flyer way

 

[deadhead]

Yet he blossomed under Torts, supposedly a rigid "right way" HC?

Atkinson also thrived under Torts, another fast, undersized skilled player.

Maybe Torts is more flexible than some presume?

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

Yet he blossomed under Torts, supposedly a rigid "right way" HC?

Atkinson also thrived under Torts, another fast, undersized skilled player.

Maybe Torts is more flexible than some presume?

im not arguing either way about Torts.

In a sane organization, I may like Torts as a coach.

But, I believe they should absolutely be tanking this season

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yet he blossomed under Torts, supposedly a rigid "right way" HC?

Atkinson also thrived under Torts, another fast, undersized skilled player.

Maybe Torts is more flexible than some presume?

He was blossoming before Torts.

You're really overhyping Atkinson's career to ascribe credit to a Tortorella you're trying to depict as essentially the greatest development coach of all time, he didn't take any dramatic leaps and followed a very ordinary career progression.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

A few teams expressed interest in St. Louis. He chose to sign with the Tampa Bay Lightning as he believed they were the most likely to give him playing time in the NHL.[6] He made his debut with the team on October 6, 2000.[15] He struggled at first, failing to score a goal in the first six weeks of the season and again found himself out of the lineup at times. Realizing that he was at a career crossroads, St. Louis abandoned the changes to his game that his NHL coaches had impressed on him, trusting his own instincts.[6] He scored his first goal of the season in late November, and finished the season with 18 goals and 40 points – 34 of which came after December 1.[15]


Here's a point in favor of those who claim that a good % of NHL coaches are idiots.
I'm guessing they trying to get ST. Louis to play the "right way" ie something similar to the Flyer way

Ghost would thumbs up this post....^^^

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is it good management to need to hire a coach known for accountability because your previous player and coaching acquisitions, to create a winning culture, created a team with no accountability?

Don't forget that somehow, accountability will trickle up to management (try not to die laughing thinking of Clarke being humbled by Tortorella). Is it good management for management to have no accountability?

 

[bobbythebrain]

Torts confirms a divided lockerroom.
Not like that was hard to predict w/ Hayes laissez fair attitude and Chuck basically handing him the team.

Gonna be an interseting camp to say the least. Hayes and his candy addiction might not survive Torts

 

[renberg]

Torts confirms a divided lockerroom.
Not like that was hard to predict w/ Hayes laissez fair attitude and Chuck basically handing him the team.

Gonna be an interseting camp to say the least. Hayes and his candy addiction might not survive Torts

When Hayes showed up here, G was the team leader. Behind him was Couturier. In no way was Hayes ever being considered to be the leader of the club. Whoever gave him the indication that he was to be that guy should be shot. Perhaps Torts can get him in line to be a team player but I doubt it.

 

[captainpaxil]

Between the deep picks from hextall and Fletchers top picks we're going to get a feeling of what the future looks like for this team. His big mistakes so far have been at the pro level. Let's see what the kids have got

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Clarke and numerous sources with inside info all affirm Clarke is the problem, not Holmgren.

Any links to these sources as would be curious to read. Everything I have read is Clarke is not involved at all. Only time he is is when the dumb GM seeks him out. Only time I see someone say Clarke is involved is when they speculate like Freidman did a few weeks ago.

Meltzer has said numerous times Barber (odd to me) and Lombardi have Scott's ear and are involved. He has stated Clarke and Holmgren are not. Take it for what it is worth.

 

[deadhead]

Scott's talking points are almost verbatim what Holmgren said when they hired Fletcher and AV.
So maybe Holmgren just runs the teleprompter?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Scott's talking points are almost verbatim what Holmgren said when they hired Fletcher and AV.
So maybe Holmgren just runs the teleprompter?

Scott has no idea what he's talking about and just parrots whatever he has heard from others. He's not the micromanager you think he is.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Scott has no idea what he's talking about and just parrots whatever he has heard from others. He's not the micromanager you think he is.

The fact that Scott singled out Mayhew in a press conference showed how little he understood or cared about his team other than what Clarke and Chuck fed him.

 

[deadhead]

Scott has no idea what he's talking about and just parrots whatever he has heard from others. He's not the micromanager you think he is.

Snider wasn't a micromanager either.
The "owner" sets the general strategy, others try to implement it.
If the strategy is misguided, attempts to implement are doomed to failure.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Snider wasn't a micromanager either.
The "owner" sets the general strategy, others try to implement it.
If the strategy is misguided, attempts to implement are doomed to failure.

Snyder was a micromanager compared to Scott. Snyder didn't set the vaguest of strategies, he demanded specific things with specific players in mind. He was highly involved with his own roster and knew teams around the league.

Scott can only discuss the roster by parroting names he heard immediately prior. The only strategy we know Scott has asked for is to make the team better, the vaguest goal possible, and we know Fletcher has made the team worse in his attempt to do that. The whole management cabal should have been fired after last year. But just as with Lavi, and Hakstol, and AV, the team will wait a year too long to do the obvious thing. As always, behind the ball.

 

[CSKA1974]

PLD on Torts:

 

[Embiid]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

I gotta say, I’m really enjoying listening to Torts. I know it’s put out by Comcast and that means it will be safe and put in a positive light, bur Torts has definitely changed my mind about him.

I mean Tortorella definitely understands the leadership aspects to promoting growth and pushing people's boundaries. This works well if you have enough leaders in the locker room to get the rest of the foot soldiers on the same page and act as the liaison between the taskmaster coach and the players. You don't need buy in from the entire team but a select few. This is classic Hitchcock type coaching. Hitchcock was a prick but he always had his good guy generals to get his message across to the team. Primeau was one of them until he got injured and held the team hostage in some respects trying to come back. We then saw everything unravel in his absence with Clarke having a horrid offseason and then Hitch losing his hold on the team. Both of them were summarily replaced after the worst season in Flyers history. Tortorella is going to institute structure and accountability for sure but he lacks racehorses and we'll see if he can get a leadership core to be his good cops. To me, I see shades of the late 80's to early 90's until they got Lindros and rounded out the superstar with more difference makers like LeClair and Desjardins. They ultimately made up the leadership core in the later successful years. But we lack a star and talent so I won't be surprised if the Flyers resemble the hard working Flyers of those playoff cusp mediocre teams prior to Lindros. Current Flyers have more talent than those Flyers teams but not enough NHL level talent to be true playoff contenders barring overachievement...

Bottom line...I am refraining from the drug known as Hopeium...

 

[deadhead]

Torts has Atkinson, Couts, Laughton.
Ellis can't lead until he plays.
I don't think Hayes has ever been a leader, he's more the type that keeps things loose.

So far, none of the older kids seem to have stepped into that role.

As far as talent, I'm just interested in seeing players under a structured system for a year, the last two years were chaos, and even at LHV, this might be the first year with good coaching, the Gordon regime left much to be desired.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Shitty teams, teams with little in the way of talent, teams continually influenced by morons like Clarke - like to obsess over things like leadership or a perceived lack of effort.

The rest of the league is catching on to the idea that rebuilds are mandatory. The Flyers always know best though.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The funniest Dave Scott moment that truly shows how in over his head he is was when he said during that press conference after they fired Hextall he mentioned Quennville specifically by name for the head coaching job. That was uncommon as is let alone doing so while you still were employing Dave Hakstol at that time.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The funniest Dave Scott moment that truly shows how in over his head he is was when he said during that press conference after they fired Hextall he mentioned Quennville specifically by name for the head coaching job. That was uncommon as is let alone doing so while you still were employing Dave Hakstol at that time.

It's completely possible he wasn't even sure who was being fired.

 

[deadhead]

Scott's no rocket scientist, but he's still the heart of the problem.

Imagine if Fletcher went to Scott and said we need to rebuild, he'd then ask Holmgren and Clarke, and what do you think they'd say?

Now who would Scott choose to believe, the guy telling the truth or the guys selling pie in the sky?

We already know of an example of a leader refusing to accept the obvious truth when it means accepting an unpleasant reality.