Value of: John Gibson for PIT 2023 1st and Jeff Carter

[Empoleon8771]

And I think most duck fans are in the not being traded wagon… cause he’s worth more to us than trade value.

No one that watches anahiem consistently thinks gibson is the issue

Well then the solution here is fine, no? Most Ducks fans don't want to trade Gibson for low value while most Penguins fans wouldn't want to pay anything more than low value for him (if even that). I think that's a totally fine outcome.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Penguins Just take Murray back and we will throw in a 3rd round pick and prospect.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Anyone who would pay a 1st for Gibson at this point is a fool.

I don't care how much Ducks fans overrate him, he hasn't been a good goalie since before COVID.

He hasn't had good stats since Eakins was coach now Eakins is no longer coach. A example of how bad things had been with Eakins is Ducks setting record for most shots allowed in a season.

 

[TS Quint]

Almost about as good as Stolarz and Dostal? Hasn't been good for 4 seasons? Same as with several ex-players in Anaheim, underrated because of the average/below average Anaheim roster in the last few years. Under other circumstances their quality shines (e.g. Hampus Lindholm). I think Gibson best years are behind him, but in my opinion he is easily a NHL starter goaltender, not some backup who plays starting goaltender because of the rebuild.

As much as I like Stolarz and have very high hopes for Dostal, Gibson is currently much better than both of them. Even if you are only "stat watching", things like number of played games, quality of opposition etc. should be something you should take into account.

His save percentage of this year is something to behold when you look at what "defense" was played in front of him.

A couple of years ago the Ducks had some problems with power plays, Teemu coined the term "power kill", we should find some new word that describes our defense this year.

"Suicidal goalie thoughts"?
"How about a new shot on goal record"?

Is all too long and not catchy enough, maybe someone else has some better ideas.

You sure have a lot of excuses. Nothing to back it up with. Good luck with the .900 goaltender.

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Almost about as good as Stolarz and Dostal? Hasn't been good for 4 seasons? Same as with several ex-players in Anaheim, underrated because of the average/below average Anaheim roster in the last few years. Under other circumstances their quality shines (e.g. Hampus Lindholm). I think Gibson best years are behind him, but in my opinion he is easily a NHL starter goaltender, not some backup who plays starting goaltender because of the rebuild.

As much as I like Stolarz and have very high hopes for Dostal, Gibson is currently much better than both of them. Even if you are only "stat watching", things like number of played games, quality of opposition etc. should be something you should take into account.

His save percentage of this year is something to behold when you look at what "defense" was played in front of him.

A couple of years ago the Ducks had some problems with power plays, Teemu coined the term "power kill", we should find some new word that describes our defense this year.

"Suicidal goalie thoughts"?
"How about a new shot on goal record"?

Is all too long and not catchy enough, maybe someone else has some better ideas.

Wow, that's a lot of excuses. He doesn't have a crazy number of games played or even play a single back to back.

If he was the better goaltender on his team he would be the better goaltender on his team. But he's not. He's on the level of the rest of the riff raff. But remember the good times.

 

[Yemeth]

There are all sorts of weird things that swirl around Gibson these days in terms of fan-perceived "value". He's a really polarizing netminder.


It's funny to me that a lot of the most vocal "anti-Gibson" haters who believe he's regressed to a replacement level or below netminder, also typically seem to be among the "goalies are voodoo" crowd. The "missing piece" to make goaltending make more sense and look like less of a random scatterplot is staring them right in the face with other fans endlessly squawking about "context" and "team performance" in front of them. But they're not interested. Gibson is washed.

Whereas there's also a clear contingent of fans who do still recognize that contextual factor and value Gibson in trade proposals whenever they go out hunting for a quality starting goaltender. Yet still generally seem inclined to try to "lowball" the Ducks, belying the value that obviously underpins their interest in Gibson in the first place.



All of this creates some weird dissonance around his "value". When the reality is...no matter what, his "value" to the Ducks in providing stable reliable goaltending to backstop a young developing team is probably far in excess of what he'd even actually be worth to a contending team. He probably isn't an Elite goaltender anymore. But the value of a really good solid starter who used to be elite is still really high for a young team like the Ducks.

Teams always talk about "culture carriers" and "veteran mentors and leadership" with young rebuilding teams. That's precisely where Gibson's value gets inflated for the Ducks. That element where it's hard to put a price on stability and a calming presence in net for young players who are going to make big mistakes.

Thank you for this well written and obviously well thought out posting.